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The cost of the TV can be thrown on top of the console just as well as the rest of the computer can be thrown on top of a GPU

Console gaming: You buy a console - connect to TV that you already have
PC gaming: You buy a GPU - connect to a PC you already have.


Done. Easy comparison. And I know I know, the average joe is too lazy / scared to do this procedure himself, but that is not a valid point in my opinion.
I never said PC upgrades were exempt from the price comparison, just that display, audio and hardware are not mutually exclusive purchases and cannot represent the price for any particular platform.

I agree that upgrades are a sensible approach to keeping PC gaming costs down.
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Because TRUE gamers play PC games. money is not an issue for me..........

CONSOLE are for beginner..........

i started with the sega dreamcast in the 90's
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Because TRUE gamers play PC games.

CONSOLE are for beginner..........

i started with the sega dreamcast in the 90's
True gamers... that almost sounds like a way to justify why you sit inside in a dark room on your own playing games when everyone else it outside having fun with friends

Talking of outside, it's nice and sunny so i'm going to go have a BBQ
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Assuming the case fits it, assuming the PSU is powerful enough, assuming it actually has the right power connectors, assuming it has the cooling to deal with it, assuming the rest of the hardware actually can handle the GPU and won't bottleneck it... etc... oh and the inevitable issue of having driver problems
You don't need a humongous dual GPU card. A single 5770 would do great for this purpose. The card has great driver support, unlike some of the other cards in the same series.

The PSU should be able to handle it.

It should fit inside a case, it's tiny.

And it should have the right connectors. Some prebuilts these days don't, but they most likely will.

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People just want consoles because they are quick, easy, do a fair few cool things and have some good games. They are great for when your mates come round, easy to maintain and all you need is a TV with HD and HDMI (well, for best quality at least).

It's nice having a utopia, but here, in the real world, things don't quite work your way.
Yah. That is one big upside to consoles. However, from what I have seen of people who play on the consoles a lot, they almost never play with friends on the couch. They just play online there alone almost all of the time. It's a rare event to see splitscreen gameplay happen these days, since everything is online. Still happens though. But it's just not the same thing anymore.


None of my mates play on consoles, all play on the PC. We play a nice round of TF2 or something else once in a while.
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Because TRUE gamers play PC games.

CONSOLE are for beginner..........

i started with the sega dreamcast in the 90's
Er, what is it about PC that makes someone a "true" gamer?
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We always used to play 8 player Fifa at my student house. 4 people on each console, both on different sides. That was amazing fun and something that we could not do on PC.
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True gamers... that almost sounds like a way to justify why you sit inside in a dark room on your own playing games when everyone else it outside having fun with friends

Talking of outside, it's nice and sunny so i'm going to go have a BBQ

im also a bodybuilder i starded in 2003 ,i workout at 24hr fitness in plantation florida. do you call this boring, i can show a pic of me........the beach is paradise here in south florida and im ready to hit the beach.
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Er, what is it about PC that makes someone a "true" gamer?
you sound off.
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I'm probably repeating what others have said:

Was your $1100 PC required to play games? No, it's an enthusiast PC, way overkill for some. Let's say we wanted to play PC games at 1280x720 (consoles actually often render at lower res and then upscale) with max settings (the Xbox and PS3 won't run at max, but we'll do it anyway) and only 4x MSAA (which is superior to the AA in many console games). Also remember that a console only renders at 30 FPS, so we'll go for the same. Now, what would we need to match the beloved consoles?

I'd say a Phenom II X4 ~3 GHz (quad to ensure good perf in games like BC2, Dirt 2, GTA 4) with 4 GB RAM (hell, we could make do with 2 GB, I've done that in a gamer PC and avoided RAM bottlenecks) and an HD 5770 (might actually be overkill for that resolution).
With a nice PSU at ~500 W, a cheap case, a 1 TB hard drive and an optical drive, we're looking at ~$600 and that PC will probably be better for gaming than a console.

"But you need, likez, monittor and soundss and all that for pc!" Yes, but a console will need most of the same things. The keyboard and mouse will cost extra for a PC, but it's very little.

"But it r still nicht as cheap as PSthree!" No, but you're also getting better performance, more functions, more features, complete control of your experience (as opposed to the rules of a greedy company), and you won't have to pay for an extra PC. "What, won't have to pay for an extra PC?" Well, consider that most console gamers also need a PC for emails, office applications and other things. That PC will cost them not only the price of a crappy Dell, they'll also need monitor and accessories. They could hook it up to a TV, but will the average Joe do that? No, he most likely won't. Hell, I wouldn't, then I wouldn't be able to watch TV and use the PC simultaneously.

Then there are the games. Console games often cost 25-50% more than the PC version. There are exceptions, but that's all they are, exceptions.

As "the prick over the i" (sorry, Danish joke) people constantly claim that PC's need upgrades all the time. Well, they don't. If you buy a PC that's about 30% faster than a console the day that console comes out, you won't have to buy another PC until the next gen arrives. With optimizations, the consoles might be able to do what your PC does, but not much more. With scalable graphics in PC games, you can rest assured that your PC will play most games at some settings for the next 5 years. And if you stay at console resolutions, you could very well keep up with console graphics for the entire life of that console without upgrading anything.
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Ok, well I've just given this a lot of thought recently, and before I start don't get the wrong idea I'm a PC gamer true and true, love everything about it wholeheartedly..but from a finance stand point I just put together a rig,(i5 2500k,4gb ddr3, gtx 570, etc etc) and it came out to $1,100. Why would a consumer choose that over, say a playstation 3 for $300? I'd just like to see how some of you feel about this.
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Because games run at their fullest potential on the PC. Nothing nerfed, the ability to choose servers, max graphics out, etc. List goes on. If I pay $50-$60 for a game, I don't want anything nerfed. Also, I can't stand FPS on a little stupid thumb knob. Even $300+ for a console is too much, considering you're buying outdated tech from 2005.
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I'm probably repeating what others have said:

Was your $1100 PC required to play games? No, it's an enthusiast PC, way overkill for some. Let's say we wanted to play PC games at 1280x720 (consoles actually often render at lower res and then upscale) with max settings (the Xbox and PS3 won't run at max, but we'll do it anyway) and only 4x MSAA (which is superior to the AA in many console games). Also remember that a console only renders at 30 FPS, so we'll go for the same. Now, what would we need to match the beloved consoles?

I'd say a Phenom II X4 ~3 GHz (quad to ensure good perf in games like BC2, Dirt 2, GTA 4) with 4 GB RAM (hell, we could make do with 2 GB, I've done that in a gamer PC and avoided RAM bottlenecks) and an HD 5770 (might actually be overkill for that resolution).
With a nice PSU at ~500 W, a cheap case, a 1 TB hard drive and an optical drive, we're looking at ~$600 and that PC will probably be better for gaming than a console.

"But you need, likez, monittor and soundss and all that for pc!" Yes, but a console will need most of the same things. The keyboard and mouse will cost extra for a PC, but it's very little.

"But it r still nicht as cheap as PSthree!" No, but you're also getting better performance, more functions, more features, complete control of your experience (as opposed to the rules of a greedy company), and you won't have to pay for an extra PC. "What, won't have to pay for an extra PC?" Well, consider that most console gamers also need a PC for emails, office applications and other things. That PC will cost them not only the price of a crappy Dell, they'll also need monitor and accessories. They could hook it up to a TV, but will the average Joe do that? No, he most likely won't.

Then there are the games. Console games often cost 25-50% more than the PC version. There are exceptions, but that's all they are, exceptions.

As "the prick over the i" (sorry, Danish joke) people constantly claim that PC's need upgrades all the time. Well, they don't. If you buy a PC that's about 30% faster than a console the day that console comes out, you won't have to buy another PC until the next gen arrives. With optimizations, the consoles might be able to do what your PC does, but not much more. With scalable graphics in PC games, you can rest assured that your PC will play most games at some settings for the next 5 years. And if you stay at console resolutions, you could very well keep up with console graphics for the entire life of that console without upgrading anything.
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