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As long as your board has 8 phase power or better I dont see any problems being caused by overclocking. My mobo doesn't even support the 965 that's in it but it runs perfectly fine. I got it up to 4.0ghz without too much trouble.

****JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MOTHERBOARD IS MADE FOR OVERCLOCKING TO BEGIN WITH****
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChronoBodi;13215299 
Sooooo..... Is Bulldozer going to work on 790FXT boards like mine? albeit unoffically?

It is up to GigaByte to offer a BIOS rev. that will support it. I am sure they will jump in. Won't hurt to keep your fingers crossed though.
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I'm all for socket compatibility that AMD offers but at some point you gotta start thinking if its holding you back.

AM2+ processors were compatible with socket AM2. AM3 procesors were compatible with socket AM2+ and AM2.

Socket AM2 ran the athlon 64 x2 and phenom series of processors. Socket AM3 runs Phenom II X6 processors. Phenom II are a significant upgrade but still backwards compatible.

At some point one has to think how much different are the athlon 64 x2 and phenom II such that the phenom II can run in nearly the same environment as the athlon 64 x2..

Now we're hearing that bulldozer would run on AM3 which is not so different from AM2+/AM2.
Maybe a completely new socket/environment is required to produce a significat boost in performance which would obviously kill backwards compatibility. But I'm just talking out of my back and I may well be wrong.

Socket AM3 or not, I hope bulldozer kicks arse.

TL;DR: I think backwards compatibility is limiting AMD chips. Intel always puts out a new socket.
Edited by lurkingdevil - 4/21/11 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by lurkingdevil;13215950 
I'm all for socket compatibility that AMD offers but at some point you gotta start thinking if its holding you back.

AM2+ processors were compatible with socket AM2. AM3 procesors were compatible with socket AM2+ and AM2.

Socket AM2 ran the athlon 64 x2 and phenom series of processors. Socket AM3 runs Phenom II X6 processors. Phenom II are a significant upgrade but still backwards compatible.

At some point one has to think how much different are the athlon 64 x2 and phenom II such that the phenom II can run in nearly the same environment as the athlon 64 x2..

Now we're hearing that bulldozer would run on AM3 which is not so different from AM2+/AM2.
Maybe a completely new socket/environment is required to produce a significat boost in performance. But I'm just talking out of my back and I may well be wrong.

Socket AM3 or not, I hope bulldozer kicks arse.

Exactly why I'm buying an AM3+ mobo with the 900 series chipset this go around. In my case, even though my processor runs fine on my mobo, I can definitely tell that its bottlenecked by a few things.
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I couldn't wait for bulldozer anymore, so I splurged and got a 2500k.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rusky1;13216069 
Exactly why I'm buying an AM3+ mobo with the 900 series chipset this go around. In my case, even though my processor runs fine on my mobo, I can definitely tell that its bottlenecked by a few things.

My point is that AMD probably needs a brand new architecture with a brand new socket instead of trying to backwards compatible.
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^^^ASUS already let the cat out of the bag. AMD wants the new socket. They aren't fueling this. ASUSis.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Obakemono;13214301 
"What Have Asus / AMD Said?
AMD has said only that they don't support Bulldozer on AM3. Past that, the company recommended we talk to Asus. We attempted to talk to Asus, but were told that the company will no longer be talking publicly about AM3/Bulldozer support, at the request of AMD. Thus, Asus was unable to talk to us about the specifics of its own product based on an announcement it had already made."

LOL. There is that nasty little NDA mucking up the works again. Like I have said before, Asus was WAY pre-mature in releasing this information and I bet it pissed AMD off big time. I wonder though how many more CHIV were sold because of it..... lachen.gif

ASUS never specifically mentions BD by name except in an email to a couple members here on OCN. What can AMD be mad about? mellowsmiley.gif

All ASUS ever did was state that a specific group of boards will be AM3 compatible. The loss of features are the power management features, and that's about it.

Anything written about it now is just a rehash of what we already know. The only thing I've learned really is that BD is going to be coming out in Quad, Hexa and Octacore flavors. The AM3+ that AM3 boards get may be just the Quad and the Hexa core. And yet nobody is even thinking in this regard. If the Quads and Hexas are much better than what I'm running now and I only lose power management features, I can handle that. cool.gif

But if my board can mate with one of the OctaCore CPUs'? bigeyedsmiley.png

~Ceadder:drink:
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I remember something about IF it is backwards compatible, it would lose features. And Bulldozer is new architect. I don't see it as hindering; I see it as being more creative and courteous which made it more challenging. Lots of people hate the fact that Intel uses a new socket for each of their generations so I think AMD is trying to avoid that.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Krusher33;13217279 
I remember something about IF it is backwards compatible, it would lose features. And Bulldozer is new architect. I don't see it as hindering; I see it as being more creative and courteous which made it more challenging. Lots of people hate the fact that Intel uses a new socket for each of their generations so I think AMD is trying to avoid that.

AMD isn't behind this. AMD has said they don't support the move. They want a new socket. But they also left it up to the Motherboard manufacturers to decide. Hence why they refer everybody back to ASUS. But that little NDA agreement keeps ASUS from going on record and name dropping where Bulldozer is concerned. It's a nifty catch 22 issue. wink.gif

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Thanks for clearing that up.
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