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^^^ASUS already let the cat out of the bag. AMD wants the new socket. They aren't fueling this. ASUSis.



ASUS never specifically mentions BD by name except in an email to a couple members here on OCN. What can AMD be mad about?

All ASUS ever did was state that a specific group of boards will be AM3 compatible. The loss of features are the power management features, and that's about it.

Anything written about it now is just a rehash of what we already know. The only thing I've learned really is that BD is going to be coming out in Quad, Hexa and Octacore flavors. The AM3+ that AM3 boards get may be just the Quad and the Hexa core. And yet nobody is even thinking in this regard. If the Quads and Hexas are much better than what I'm running now and I only lose power management features, I can handle that.

But if my board can mate with one of the OctaCore CPUs'?

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Ok, dont shoot me down in flames, I've read and read, but I cant seem to find any info on whether an AM3 cpu will be 100% compatible with 9series AM3+ boards when they're released??
In need of a better mobo for my AM3, and want to go AM3+ at a later date, but in the meantime, I'd like to run AM3 in an AM3+ board.....any info??
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I thought AMD said this a long time ago about all AM3 CPUs being forward compatible with AM3+, and that AM3+ CPUs were not going to be backwards compatible with AM3, (this is the point of most contention here). For one *I* plan on getting a 990FX board from Gigabyte and moving all my stuff over to it, and recycle my UD5 for a folding computer, then wait and see how the prices of BD fair and may wait for gen2 BD CPUs (Q4 this year???). My
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Well anyway back to the topic, the ASRock ad pretty much only applies to Mid to Entry level boards near as I can figure.

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HUH???
Do you consider a 890FX mobo a "Mid" level board?!?!?!????
So what is the mobo you own considered? Ultra-high-end-better-than-anything-everyone-else-owns? You don't even own the extreme version!
The ASRock mobo I linked I would consider high end since it is the 890FX chipset.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.as...90FX%20Deluxe5
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The fact that I would need a new board is because i'm using an AM2+ board, with DDR2 ram... running an AM3 chip, ring any bells? That's right, I'm using an older board with a bios update to run a newer cpu, which is what you're proposing.

I've said it already, my Thuban doesn't work properly in my "Asus, on the 6 core approved board, list". This is why i'd favor an AM3+ board for BD if I had an AM3. Though now you're saying you'll get an enthusiast board later, fair enough.

42 eh? the answer to life, the universe and everything...

...who'd've thought it..
+1... I think that Bulldozer that won't work on AM3 will end up being a bust. It is not just a matter of a new motherboard, but everything that goes with it, like memory and so on. I can see Bulldozer maybe not having all of the bells and whistles on AM3 when compared to AM3+, but I can't see a company bringing out a processor that will only work on proprietary boards that are still vapour.

It is not the way AMD usually operates. They were always champs at bringing out new processors that were backwards compatible if the socket geometry was the same. Even twenty years ago, the only real "problem" was that their processors ran at a lower voltage, and some boards couldn't handle it - so AMD came out with a line of processors that addressed this by including onboard regulators. This is similar to the Intel Overdrive processors that were long available as upgrades for older equipment.

Bulldozer as an "upgrade" that requires all new memory, all new boards, all new drivers and upgrades to the OS, etc... May be a bust for many upgraders who might simply justify that if they need the whole wad anyways, they might at well go to Sandy Bridge or something. Now, a Bulldozer that works AM3, that would be a winner for someone that wants more CPU - and would plunk itself right into a new AM3+ when the budget or requirements justify the expense.
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+1... I think that Bulldozer that won't work on AM3 will end up being a bust. It is not just a matter of a new motherboard, but everything that goes with it, like memory and so on. I can see Bulldozer maybe not having all of the bells and whistles on AM3 when compared to AM3+, but I can't see a company bringing out a processor that will only work on proprietary boards that are still vapour.

It is not the way AMD usually operates. They were always champs at bringing out new processors that were backwards compatible if the socket geometry was the same. Even twenty years ago, the only real "problem" was that their processors ran at a lower voltage, and some boards couldn't handle it - so AMD came out with a line of processors that addressed this by including onboard regulators. This is similar to the Intel Overdrive processors that were long available as upgrades for older equipment.

Bulldozer as an "upgrade" that requires all new memory, all new boards, all new drivers and upgrades to the OS, etc... May be a bust for many upgraders who might simply justify that if they need the whole wad anyways, they might at well go to Sandy Bridge or something. Now, a Bulldozer that works AM3, that would be a winner for someone that wants more CPU - and would plunk itself right into a new AM3+ when the budget or requirements justify the expense.
Asus isn't going to willingly put their nipples in the wringer unless they now something we don't. They've already said that AM3+ will work on AM3 with nothing more than a BIOS upgrade. What level Am3+ has yet to be determined because they're skirting around that pesky NDA. I doubt that we'll get Octacore goodness at this point but the QuadCore is not beyond the realm of possibility.

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Just to add a new conversation point, the pin holes on the AM3+ socket are significantly larger. I don't know about everyone else, but to me it means that either the holes are larger for no reason, or the pins are larger in diameter, and i don't believe AMD would largen the holes without a need. If the pins are indeed larger, then there's no way bulldozer will work in AM3.
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Just to add a new conversation point, the pin holes on the AM3+ socket are significantly larger. I don't know about everyone else, but to me it means that either the holes are larger for no reason, or the pins are larger in diameter, and i don't believe AMD would largen the holes without a need. If the pins are indeed larger, the. there's no way bulldozer will work in AM3.
So ASUS is lying then?

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So ASUS is lying then?

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The mystery deepens........
Not likely.

There is zero to gain from lying, ASUS/MSI etc could literally be sued for false advertising (not to mention their reputation being trashed) if it turns out that Bulldozer is incompatible with AM3.

Bulldozer works in AM3 motherboards but without some irrelevant features (for us here on OCNet anyway)

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