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Originally Posted by Armand Hammer View Post
Not likely.

There is zero to gain from lying, ASUS/MSI etc could literally be sued for false advertising (not to mention their reputation being trashed) if it turns out that Bulldozer is incompatible with AM3.

Bulldozer works in AM3 motherboards but without some irrelevant features (for us here on OCNet anyway)

So sure of that, eh? Time will tell who is right and the truth of this whole fiasco will be brought out into the light. Meanwhile, the mystery remains since there is little more than circumstantial evidence.

Edit: Thinking out loud here, speculation time boys and girls:
What IF, and I mean a BIG if, that the engineering samples were sent out on the older PHII packaging, IE the smaller pins hence why BD could/can/whatever fit in an AM3 socket, but the production run BD packaging is with the thicker pins and only fits in the AM3+ socket?
Edited by Obakemono - 4/26/11 at 6:19pm
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post #182 of 194
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So sure of that, eh? Time will tell who is right and the truth of this whole fiasco will be brought out into the light. Meanwhile, the mystery remains since there is little more than circumstantial evidence.
All I can say is that Im looking forward to OCing bulldozer on my CHIV and pairing it up with a 6990!
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I'm going to break this down for everyone here:

People are worried that there's a causational relationship between socket type and overall performance.
These people refuse to believe Bulldozer will work in AM3 boards, despite major prominent manufacturers stating it's possible. They believe if a legacy socket is compatible with the new architecture, Bulldozer won't be as strong of a contender as hyped.

This line of thinking is stupid. Dumb dumb dumb. Dumb. Bulldozer isn't revolutionizing I/O interfaces for processors everywhere. It's the underlying architecture that matters. You only need so many pins; it's not like a virtually similar arrangement to a previous generation is going to cripple it.

Jesus.

So then it becomes a matter of features. It's speculated that the extra pin is used for throttling / turboing, and if so, I'm pretty sure most of us can live without such features. Really. Seriously. This is overclock.net, an enthusiast forum for overclockers, people who overclock their chips.

This is where people should start to decide whether or not a motherboard upgrade is worth it. If it isn't features, it's headroom. How far will Bulldozer clock on older boards as opposed to newer ones with newer chipsets? That has yet to be seen; it's all conjecture and speculation. I can live with a little stifling if it means not having to upgrade a motherboard. Others will want to push it to the limits.

So what does this mean?

Wait for Bulldozer to release, and for the guinea pigs to find out. Until then, quit spouting bullcrap.
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post #184 of 194
Miki gave fair warning here already so I'm giving final warning; stay on topic and no nonsense bickering.
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No problems here.
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Didn't you know, you're not allowed to talk up AMD.
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post #187 of 194
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Originally Posted by dzalias View Post
I'm going to break this down for everyone here:

People are worried that there's a causational relationship between socket type and overall performance.
These people refuse to believe Bulldozer will work in AM3 boards, despite major prominent manufacturers stating it's possible. They believe if a legacy socket is compatible with the new architecture, Bulldozer won't be as strong of a contender as hyped.

This line of thinking is stupid. Dumb dumb dumb. Dumb. Bulldozer isn't revolutionizing I/O interfaces for processors everywhere. It's the underlying architecture that matters. You only need so many pins; it's not like a virtually similar arrangement to a previous generation is going to cripple it.

Jesus.

So then it becomes a matter of features. It's speculated that the extra pin is used for throttling / turboing, and if so, I'm pretty sure most of us can live without such features. Really. Seriously. This is overclock.net, an enthusiast forum for overclockers, people who overclock their chips.

This is where people should start to decide whether or not a motherboard upgrade is worth it. If it isn't features, it's headroom. How far will Bulldozer clock on older boards as opposed to newer ones with newer chipsets? That has yet to be seen; it's all conjecture and speculation. I can live with a little stifling if it means not having to upgrade a motherboard. Others will want to push it to the limits.

So what does this mean?

Wait for Bulldozer to release, and for the guinea pigs to find out. Until then, quit spouting bullcrap.
Gee, I said this how many weeks ago and this dead horse STILL keeps coming up? Bullcrap eh? So all the information that was being talked about is all BS? LOL. Too funny.
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All I can say is that Im looking forward to OCing bulldozer on my CHIV and pairing it up with a 6990!
If you can afford a 6990, then I think you could fit in 200.oo for a new mobo.
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If you can afford a 6990, then I think you could fit in 200.oo for a new mobo.
Maybe that's an either or type of purchase? And considering that there are not a lot of High End OC boards out there at the moment...

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I know this is OCN, but some people here are not hell-bent on overclocking their stuff to Timbucktu and back, so suggesting a proper mobo to fully support BD is a valid argument. I think the pros vs. the cons will be in the favor of AM3+ platforms. IMO.
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