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Still, I have to say. Investing in BD and handicapping it with an earlier NB chipset isn't an idea I'm interested in at all. If your trying to avoid spending alot initially in the transition. Get the AM3+ board, and use your AM3 cpu in it. Then get Zambezi later.
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Originally Posted by Lucky 13 SpeedShop;13217672 
Still, I have to say. Investing in BD and handicapping it with an earlier NB chipset isn't an idea I'm interested in at all. If your trying to avoid spending alot initially in the transition. Get the AM3+ board, and use your AM3 cpu in it. Then get Zambezi later.

:eh-smileyHuh? I wouldn't be handicapping anything dropping a BD CPU on my board. This has been hashed and rehashed to death. The ONLY FEATURE I WOULD BE LOSING IS POWER MANAGEMENT... you know, the CNQ stuff that as an overclocker I would never miss anyway?mellowsmiley.gif

If I weren't already on Crosshair IV, and I was shopping for a board do you think I would buy Gigabytes only AM3+ entrant (GA-880GMA-USB3) at $105, or still buy the Formula which has more features even though it's "handicapping" the AM3+ CPU?

C'mon man, I don't think you're meaning it in the way you wrote it but anyone that is serious about overclocking isn't going to give a rats furry behind about losing CnQ and other power management features.

Hell I don't even have sleep enabled on my monitor or my sig rig and I'm not overclocking. I have and I can, I just have some issues I want ironed out first before I get into it. I want my Loop to keep the NB under control.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by Lucky 13 SpeedShop;13217672 
Still, I have to say. Investing in BD and handicapping it with an earlier NB chipset isn't an idea I'm interested in at all. If your trying to avoid spending alot initially in the transition. Get the AM3+ board, and use your AM3 cpu in it. Then get Zambezi later.

By that time AM4 will be out. /sarcasm

For real though, I went that route a couple of times the last 4 years. I got an AM2 board knowing it will support AM2+ later. By the time I was ready to purchase an AM2+ chip, AM3 is out. Now that I finally got my AM3 set up, AM3+ is coming out. I wouldn't doubt the next socket type will be out before I'm ready to buy a AM3+ chip.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman;13217787 
:eh-smileyHuh? I wouldn't be handicapping anything dropping a BD CPU on my board. This has been hashed and rehashed to death. The ONLY FEATURE I WOULD BE LOSING IS POWER MANAGEMENT... you know, the CNQ stuff that as an overclocker I would never miss anyway?mellowsmiley.gif

If I weren't already on Crosshair IV, and I was shopping for a board do you think I would buy Gigabytes only AM3+ entrant (GA-880GMA-USB3) at $105, or still buy the Formula which has more features even though it's "handicapping" the AM3+ CPU?

C'mon man, I don't think you're meaning it in the way you wrote it but anyone that is serious about overclocking isn't going to give a rats furry behind about losing CnQ and other power management features.

Hell I don't even have sleep enabled on my monitor or my sig rig and I'm not overclocking. I have and I can, I just have some issues I want ironed out first before I get into it. I want my Loop to keep the NB under control.wink.gif

~Ceadder:drink:

It is not confirmed by anyone (at AMD, nor mobo manufacturers) that your only losing power management. That is only an assumption at this time. FSB/HT/NB speeds have not been confirmed, nor much else performance wise of the 990FX mb's (much less, confirmed on BD itself). The only confirmation so far, is that SLI will be liscenced on the new mb's.

What we also know, is that it will have native support for DDR3 1866. Which my ram is quite capable of, and more. Sure, minor performance increase. But still greater. So assuming you're not going to lose performance by staying with the older mb's isn't a quantified fact. To think that there won't be any other difference but the socket between 890 & 990 chipset mobo's, is slightly foolish. AMD & the mobo manufacturers would be even more so, if they didn't push the envelope with the new boards.

But hey, it may turn out there isn't much difference at all. My surmising may be entirely incorrect. Point is, you cant assume that everything about the two is going to be more or less =/=.

But, no. I don't give two ****'s about CnQ, C1E, or any other power managment feature. biggrin.gif My version of power management is just turning off my system. tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Krusher33;13217817 
By that time AM4 will be out. /sarcasm

For real though, I went that route a couple of times the last 4 years. I got an AM2 board knowing it will support AM2+ later. By the time I was ready to purchase an AM2+ chip, AM3 is out. Now that I finally got my AM3 set up, AM3+ is coming out. I wouldn't doubt the next socket type will be out before I'm ready to buy a AM3+ chip.

Lol! I'm sure you're not the only one that happened too. Keeping up with the newest (newer) tech is always a pain in the....heh, posterior. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Lucky 13 SpeedShop;13218137 
It is not confirmed by anyone (at AMD, nor mobo manufacturers) that your only losing power management. That is only an assumption at this time. FSB/HT/NB speeds have not been confirmed, nor much else performance wise of the 990FX mb's (much less, confirmed on BD itself). The only confirmation so far, is that SLI will be liscenced on the new mb's.

What we also know, is that it will have native support for DDR3 1866. Which my ram is quite capable of, and more. Sure, minor performance increase. But still greater.

So assuming you're not going to lose performance by staying with the older mb's isn't a quantified fact. To think that there won't be any other difference but the socket between 890 & 990 chipset mobo's, is slightly foolish.

But hey, it may turn out there isn't much difference at all. My surmising may be entirely incorrect. Point is, you cant assume that everything about the two is going to be more or less =/=.

But, no. I don't give two ****'s about CnQ, C1E, or any other power managment feature. biggrin.gif My version of power management is just turning off my system. tongue.gif

I agree with this statement ^

I'm tired of people creating facts out of speculation. First it starts out as a guess and then soon enough people are telling us how it "is." There's no confirmation on what AM3 boards will support or not support from board manufacturers or AMD. This is just a product of speculation.

We do know an AM3+ 990-chipset board will support all the features of BD. If I was on the market for a new board I would just wait til the 990 boards come out. If I own a board that is presumably compatible I would wait for BD and see what happens. There's no harm in waiting.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman;13217787 
:eh-smileyHuh? I wouldn't be handicapping anything dropping a BD CPU on my board. This has been hashed and rehashed to death. The ONLY FEATURE I WOULD BE LOSING IS POWER MANAGEMENT... you know, the CNQ stuff that as an overclocker I would never miss anyway?mellowsmiley.gif

You, along with everyone else not under NDA, have absolutely no idea what would be missing if you use a AM3 socket board. If you think having a CHIV is going to make a difference, dream on.
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I'm all for socket compatibility that AMD offers but at some point you gotta start thinking if its holding you back.

AM2+ processors were compatible with socket AM2. AM3 procesors were compatible with socket AM2+ and AM2.

Socket AM2 ran the athlon 64 x2 and phenom series of processors. Socket AM3 runs Phenom II X6 processors. Phenom II are a significant upgrade but still backwards compatible.

At some point one has to think how much different are the athlon 64 x2 and phenom II such that the phenom II can run in nearly the same environment as the athlon 64 x2..

Now we're hearing that bulldozer would run on AM3 which is not so different from AM2+/AM2.
Maybe a completely new socket/environment is required to produce a significat boost in performance which would obviously kill backwards compatibility. But I'm just talking out of my back and I may well be wrong.

Socket AM3 or not, I hope bulldozer kicks arse.

TL;DR: I think backwards compatibility is limiting AMD chips. Intel always puts out a new socket.

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Originally Posted by Lucky 13 SpeedShop;13218137 
It is not confirmed by anyone (at AMD, nor mobo manufacturers) that your only losing power management. That is only an assumption at this time. FSB/HT/NB speeds have not been confirmed, nor much else performance wise of the 990FX mb's (much less, confirmed on BD itself). The only confirmation so far, is that SLI will be liscenced on the new mb's.

What we also know, is that it will have native support for DDR3 1866. Which my ram is quite capable of, and more. Sure, minor performance increase. But still greater. So assuming you're not going to lose performance by staying with the older mb's isn't a quantified fact. To think that there won't be any other difference but the socket between 890 & 990 chipset mobo's, is slightly foolish. AMD & the mobo manufacturers would be even more so, if they didn't push the envelope with the new boards.

But hey, it may turn out there isn't much difference at all. My surmising may be entirely incorrect. Point is, you cant assume that everything about the two is going to be more or less =/=.

But, no. I don't give two ****'s about CnQ, C1E, or any other power managment feature. biggrin.gif My version of power management is just turning off my system. tongue.gif

Ummm it HAS been confirmed in the Crosshair/Extreme thread. You can find a link to that thread in my sig. Several people are running 3014(more than 2 people last I read) and it's been pretty much figured out that you stand to lose nothing more than Power Management options. could there be more? As with anything that isn't set in stone, sure. But as it stands right now it's only the Power Management options. The things that I don't really care about anyway. wink.gif

You're not saying anything about the issue that any overclocker wouldn't say though. I rarely shut my system down cause I'm folding. And if I'm folding there is no need for my system to Sleep. And since I'm using 100% power anyway... biggrin.gif lulz

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Originally Posted by purpleannex;13218873 
You, along with everyone else not under NDA, have absolutely no idea what would be missing if you use a AM3 socket board. If you think having a CHIV is going to make a difference, dream on.

I'll put my Board up against the lone AM3+ entrant any day of the week. If you even took the time to compare the two, so would you. I have. wink.gif

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Your legs get you from point A to point B. Changing your shoes does not change the fundamentals of the process.

There's a LOT more to walking than just owning a pair of legs.
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Ummm it HAS been confirmed in the Crosshair/Extreme thread. You can find a link to that thread in my sig. Several people are running 3014(more than 2 people last I read) and it's been pretty much figured out that you stand to lose nothing more than Power Management options. could there be more? As with anything that isn't set in stone, sure. But as it stands right now it's only the Power Management options. The things that I don't really care about anyway. wink.gif

You're not saying anything about the issue that any overclocker wouldn't say though. I rarely shut my system down cause I'm folding. And if I'm folding there is no need for my system to Sleep. And since I'm using 100% power anyway... biggrin.gif lulz

~Ceadder:drink:

"Pretty much figured out?"

Well thats conclusive evidence then! doh.gif

Have you ever ran a cpu with a new architecture in a board designed for another, older architecture?

I haven't even gone that far, but I can tell you this for a fact, my board is AM2+ and it was on an original list of mobos that Asus said would support/run Thuban. Yet it doesn't run properly, fsb overclocking is impossible, so no ram overclock either, and when it was first released all the multipliers were out by 500Mhz!

You may just find that there's more to go wrong with compatability than you think, things which as an overclocker would affect you. It may run fine, but don't state facts that are pure speculation.
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I'll put my Board up against the lone AM3+ entrant any day of the week. If you even took the time to compare the two, so would you. I have. wink.gif

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~Ceadder:drink:

Running an AM3 cpu, maybe I don't know, running an AM3+ cpu, YOU don't know!!!!!!!!! There's nothing to research.
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