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I'm sorry bruh, but I been on this thing about ASUS and AM3 being able to support AM3+ since pretty much the beginning. If you didn't look through the thread then how do you even know about it? I say "pretty much", because definitive commentary is not necessary.

But if you want I'll go out on that limb and hand you the saw. You're here spoiling for a fight it seems. ASUS says it WILL work. BIOS checks in the club thread show little is lost in 3014. If you can't be happy with that I don't know what to tell you. You're essentially here to shut down civil discourse using semantics to bolster your stance.

As you said, AM3 is a different beast than AM2 and AM2+. Most specifically USB, RAM and PCI standards. Where is the difference between AM3 and AM3+?

Is the USB 3.0 standard over ALL hubs?

Did PCI-e adopt the 2.1 standard?

And did RAM change DDR.? certification?

No?

Look, I'm going with what ASUS says cause they know more about Motherboards than AMD does. AMD doesn't even build nor market boards like Intel does. If Intel says that a board needs a new socket you can pretty much bet it does. But AMD cannot say this. They can only say they do not support the use of AM3+ in AM3 application. I would expect no different from them.

However, there have been a lot of individuals here investigating ASUS' claims of AM3+ compatability. ASUS has the engineering sample and have had PLENTY of time to hash it out. I sincerely doubt they're going to put their name on the line over a "maybe". And that's what you're not understanding.

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Summation: Yes, it is confirmed that current 890 nb's will run BD. Note: the AM3+ socketed boards currently available all have 890 nb's. The direct comparison of the true AM3+ board, is physically impossible. Because the real AM3+ mobos (the ones with 990FX chipsets) are not available for comparison, nor has any information been released on their performance specs.

Therefore, comparing currently available AM3 890 boards to currently available AM3+ boards is no comparison. Performance will be nearly(exactly?) the same with BD. No one (as Purple Annex noted) not under NDA (concerning BD & the 990FX chipsets) has any idea what you will be missing out on. Everything else people are saying is pure conjecture.

That is the point we have been trying to make.
Edited by Lucky 13 SpeedShop - 4/21/11 at 2:34pm
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Then what the heck are you doing here? If it's all conjecture and summation as you are opining it to be and you're not coming into this with an open mind then what the hell is the problem?

Why even waste your time since you undoubtedly know more than you're letting on. Is it a turn on to stand there an pee in my Wheaties? My first post even stated that we won't learn anything more than we already know. I'm pretty sure it did. So what's wrong with some harmless speculation based on the facts as we know them to be?

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Then what the heck are you doing here? If it's all conjecture and summation as you are opining it to be and you're not coming into this with an open mind then what the hell is the problem?

Why even waste your time since you undoubtedly know more than you're letting on. Is it a turn on to stand there an pee in my Wheaties? My first post even stated that we won't learn anything more than we already know. I'm pretty sure it did. So what's wrong with some harmless speculation based on the facts as we know them to be?

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The only problem is that people are constantly spouting off opinion as facts. There is no reason to get angry or upset about it. I am simply clarifying to those that don't understand the difference in the boards.

You misunderstand entirely. I am just as much saying that no one (myself included) knows what, if any, performance will be lost using a hybrid AM3+ 890 chipset boards vs. the real AM3+ with the 990's.

What is known at this time, is that the current "AM3+" boards for sale, are little more than hybrids with a different socket. Not equipped with the actual chipset AMD intends BD to be used with.

Actually, if you had read closely. What I'm communicating is that everyone needs to be more open minded towards the issue, and less concerned with justifying their prior purchases. Which would seem to be the reason your getting upset.

Your taking this personally, when there is nothing maliciously being personally directed towards you.
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i thought it was only gonna work on am3+?
weird thing is msi just released a update for my board which is for am3+cpu's support?
as if i would attempt to put bd in a board that does good to just run a thuban lol.
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The AM3+ Socket is physically larger (in number of pins) than the AM3 socket; so boards that are AM3+ Compatible, have that extra Pin. So those extra features should not be missing unless board makers choose to keep them missing.

For the most part; there's not a huge difference on the chipsets for 990FX vs 890FX. Time will tell what to be true tough.
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The AM3+ Socket is physically larger (in number of pins) than the AM3 socket; so boards that are AM3+ Compatible, have that extra Pin. So those extra features should not be missing unless board makers choose to keep them missing.

For the most part; there's not a huge difference on the chipsets for 990FX vs 890FX. Time will tell what to be true tough.
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i find it funny you are a amd editor yet have a intel rig Tator Tot lol.
if bulldozer fails i swear im getting ib
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i find it funny you are a amd editor yet have a intel rig Tator Tot lol
But Tot is damned knowledgeable on all things AMD. You need to check out his board rankings. Pretty much spot on.

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i find it funny you are a amd editor yet have a intel rig Tator Tot lol.
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I couldn't beat the price at the time, $350 after Instant & MIR.

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Intel X-25M G2 80GB Lite-On BluRay Drive Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro Windows 7 Ultimate 
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Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB Western Digital Green 2TB Samsung Spinpoint M4 500GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Intel X-25M G2 80GB Lite-On BluRay Drive Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2212HM Deck Legend Frost Tactile Silverstone Strider Plus 750w Custom Acrylic Test Bed 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G500 Cooler Master Storm Tactics FPS Beyer Dynamics DT-990 600ohm Samson MediaOne 3A 
AudioAudioOtherOther
FiiO E09k QOGIR FiiO E17 ALPEN Microsoft Lifecam Studio Blue Yeti Pro Microphone 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A10-A5800K ASRock FM2A85X-ITX Radeon HD7770 1GB 2x8GB 1866mhz C9 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
SanDisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2TB 5400 RPM  24x DVD Drive Noctua L9A 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Home Premium 32" IPS TV Logitech K400 Seasonic G360 
CaseMouseAudio
Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced Logitech K400 Trackpad Custom 2.1 Home Theater Setup 
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