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Yup looks like I got wires crossed somewhere along the line about the line name. FX is indeed the name.

Here is a pic of their production boxes as well as a link explaining the whole issue for anyone that is on the fence about this.

[BSN]ASUS v. AMD

Oh and yes Gigabyte also threw their hat into the ring on the BIOS upgradability. So the Big Three have called AMD out.

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Yup looks like I got wires crossed somewhere along the line about the line name. FX is indeed the name.

Here is a pic of their production boxes as well as a link explaining the whole issue for anyone that is on the fence about this.

[BSN]ASUS v. AMD

Oh and yes Gigabyte also threw their hat into the ring on the BIOS upgradability. So the Big Three have called AMD out.

~Ceadder
Not really

AMD said that it was not supported. They NEVER said that it would not fit or that it would not work. And as it has been said... we still don't know for sure how well it will work. You have your opinion and I have mine... let's wait 6 weeks and find out.
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is there a war going on in here? lol
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Not really

AMD said that it was not supported. They NEVER said that it would not fit or that it would not work. And as it has been said... we still don't know for sure how well it will work. You have your opinion and I have mine... let's wait 6 weeks and find out.
Did you read the article? Or did you just assume that they didn't call AMD out? AMD says it won't support the move. The Big three are all making a BIOS that would make it happen. At the cost of some features of course. But they're doing it regardless of what AMD wants.

To me it sounds like they're calling AMD out. I don't know about anyone else but...

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Not really

AMD said that it was not supported. They NEVER said that it would not fit or that it would not work. And as it has been said... we still don't know for sure how well it will work. You have your opinion and I have mine... let's wait 6 weeks and find out.
To me, if AMD says it isn't going to be supported that means it won't run. But to the contrary, it is going to be supported by the majority of motherboard manufacturers for their current AM3 boards. So when JF-AMD said

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No, AM3 boards will not support Bulldozer.
He should have in fact said, "AMD does not support Bulldozer in AM3 boards" because the statement he made is clearly 100% wrong.

From the pictures of the Asrock 890FX Deluxe5 on Newegg which is the native AM3+ socket, you can see it says FSB2.6GHz. Since AM3+ boards use the same chipsets as AM3, I would speculate the only difference between AM3+ and AM3 is some power technologies and 2600mhz HT Link instead of 2000mhz.

I was really hoping Bulldozer would use a completely different socket and new chipsets from the get go. This makes me worry about performance Sandy Bridge is going to be hard to overthrow, especially considering the ridiculous overclocking results from air and watercooling.
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Did you read the article? Or did you just assume that they didn't call AMD out? AMD says it won't support the move. The Big three are all making a BIOS that would make it happen. At the cost of some features of course. But they're doing it regardless of what AMD wants.

To me it sounds like they're calling AMD out. I don't know about anyone else but...

~Ceadder
You are assuming that because AMD is not supporting this that AMD doesn't want BD to work in AM3. There is no evidence of that. They don't recommend it and hence are not supporting it. So, just because mobo makers are going to allow it means they are calling out AMD? Not really...

Both parties can co-exist... AMD and the mobo makers are not planning a rumble as far as I can tell.

EDIT: I never thought support meant "work" or "not work". Seems more like a legal out for AMD more than anything else...
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Why would anyone buy a bulldozer chip and place it in a legacy board?

Upgrading to Bulldozer means just that, CPU and motherboard, anything less is a let down to the user. Just optimize what you already have and enjoy.
Probably because upgrading the motherboard is a hassle, and at this stage in the game offers you nothing except the capability to run the CPU.
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EDIT: I never thought support meant "work" or "not work". Seems more like a legal out for AMD more than anything else...
When MSI publishes this: "Full Compatibility with AMD AM3+ Multi-Core Processors, MSI AM3 Motherboards Allow Easy Upgrades" , to me that means "support" which directly contradicts AMD.

If AMD actually wanted it to not work, they should've designed it so there was absolutely no way it would. I'm not a CPU engineer or anything, but I'm sure they could've done that in the design process.
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When MSI publishes this: "Full Compatibility with AMD AM3+ Multi-Core Processors, MSI AM3 Motherboards Allow Easy Upgrades" , to me that means "support" which directly contradicts AMD.

If AMD actually wanted it to not work, they should've designed it so there was absolutely no way it would. I'm not a CPU engineer or anything, but I'm sure they could've done that in the design process.
Look, I am not disagreeing with you. If AMD wanted it to work then they would have made it such that is does. I agree.

Thing is... BD is considerably different from AMD64 based CPUs and thus a lot of work went in to those BIOSes. If something burns for the odd user here or there then AMD can push the support (cost) on to the partners. Plus there may be more performance for the AM3+ platform whether than is from TurboCORE (yes, yes this is OCN.net and all that jazz) or from something else yet unknown.

The mobo makers are taking the risk by offering this support and not AMD... is how I read this situation.
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Nope. I don't believe that is their name. I posted a link(a month or so ago so don't shoot the messenger please) that had the box and the name but have since forgotten the name. It's a white box with a Red cursor style Arrow on the front that looks like fire. When I first saw it I noted that it was a destinct difference to the Phenom II packaging.

~Ceadder
So your so certain about everything Bulldozer, 100% certain that it will function just the way you want it to in a CHIV, you've read all there is to know about Bulldozer, the fount of all knowledge....

... YET YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO NAME IT??!?!?!?

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People don't seem to understand that judging a processor by its pins is akin to judging a monitor by one of its ports or a keyboard by its cable.

Unless the 9xx chipsets themselves are a significant improvement over 8xx, there's nothing to be gained from upgrading your board (given that it's not garbage already).
The pins will matter depending how they and the socket are wired and what those connections are capable of.

AMD or no one else has they won't support previous chipsets, that has nothing to do with the socket.

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Did you read the article? Or did you just assume that they didn't call AMD out? AMD says it won't support the move. The Big three are all making a BIOS that would make it happen. At the cost of some features of course. But they're doing it regardless of what AMD wants.

To me it sounds like they're calling AMD out. I don't know about anyone else but...

~Ceadder
I see the problem clearly now, you don't actually understand English, hence all Russian (or whatever it is in your profile). AMD are SUPPORTING BD in AM3,

SUPPORTING,

They're not saying it won't work, they're saying they won't endorse (probably too long a word for you) it in an AM3 socket.

I'm sorry, I really don't know how to simplify it anymore for you, I feel deeply sorry for you that you can't understand simple concepts, and i'm at a loss as to how i could convey it any easier for you.

You have my simpathies with your condition, I know there's no hope for you, I just hope your carers can ease your journey through life for you as much as possible.
Edited by purpleannex - 4/22/11 at 2:12am
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