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Hi everyone!

I'm looking to build a new rig and am new to water cooling. I've been reading tons of articles on here and watching all these great videos and am learning a lot. The challenge I'm facing is determining compatibility of parts for water cooling based on computer parts I'm looking to buy. And EK's compatibility utility can find my mobo/GPU (even down to the specific Superclocked EVGA), but then it just lists a bunch of model numbers that I have no idea what they are. So I need help putting together the list of brand/model numbers for all the little parts I need to make up the complete WC system.

My goal is to have an internal radiator and cool both the CPU and GPU. Within reason, I'm not concerned about price or noise and more concerned about performance and cooling. And don't want to have to get too crazy about modding, although I have the tools (dremel and whatnot) to do basic stuff.

It seems from what I've been reading, the best blocks, radiators and res's seem to be from different manufacturers, which is fine. I just need to know what is are best compatible parts.

So here are the components I plan to buy:

Motherboard:
AsusMAXIMUS IV EXTREME LGA 1155 Rebublic of Gamers Intel P67 DDR3 2400 ATX

CPU:
IntelCore i7 Processor i7-2600K 3.4GHz 8MB LGA1155 CPU

Memory:
G.SkillRipjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

GPU:
EVGAEVGA GeForce GTX 580 Superclocked 1536 MB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0

Case:
Cooler MasterHAF-X

PSU:CorsairProfessional Series Gold High Performance 1200-Watt Power Supply

SSD #1 120GB (OS):
OCZOCZ 120 GB Vertex 3 SATA III 6.0 Gb-s 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive VTX3-25SAT3-120G

SSD #2 240GB (Primary Programs):

OCZOCZ Technology 240 GB Vertex 3 SATA III 6.0 Gb/s 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive VTX3-25SAT3-240G

Hard Drive (Mass Storage):
Western DigitalCaviar Black 1 TB

Media:
Lite-onBlack 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X DVD-RAM 8X BD-ROM 8MB Cache SATA Internal Blu-ray Burner 12X


All things being equal, I prefer compression over barbs. I saw somewhere a res with a visible spinner so you can see easily that water is flowing. I can't remember the model but I'd certainly like to have some sort of indicator on the front of the machine that lets me know water is flowing.

As far as sensors and fan controllers, I'm open to opinions on what you think is "must-have" or "really important," if any.

I'm open to both anti-bacteria and silver and even using both simultaneously unless that's overkill and completely unnecessary.

I read that only distilled water should be used, but I do like the idea of using a dye not for aesthetics, but to detect leaks. But if there is another way to easily detect leaks without it, I'd prefer that since I don't want to deal with the dye breaking down or otherwise causing problems as I've seen in some articles.

As far as tubing, again, function over form, but if there is more than one good option, I'd then prefer to pick a color that matches. I realize the memory is blue and won't be ideal with the black/red of the case/mobo, but that memory seems like the best fit, not only for speed but the low profile grants more room for cooling.

I'm kinda married to the mobo/CPU/GPU but willing to consider other cases/PSU's if it results in a noticeable performance boost / value.

That's about it. I live in Vegas so between the dust and heat, I'm really looking forward to building an ideal cooling solution for my next rig. Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this and any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Of course, let me know if you require any additional information.

Bellagiofan

EDIT: Changed case to HAF-X
Edited by Bellagiofan - 4/21/11 at 1:44pm
    
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To answer some of your questions:

The spinning reservoir is an EK one that sits in 2 5.25" bays. I've actually got one I'm not using in my upcoming build, but was lucky that it came with the kit

For a sensor and fan controller, Martin, who tested all of the fans, discusses towards the end of his fan article/uberthread that this is 2011 and why are people still using manual controls for fans instead of PWM, which has great fans available for it, and if nothing else at least there are automatic controllers that will control 3 pin fans using the PWM signal from your motherboard. That way you can use custom fan speed profiles to ensure silence when you don't need the horsepower, and allows the computer to get loud when needed. I just bought a Sunbeamtech 6 fan PWM controller that will take 1 PWM signal from the mobo (all that is needed IMO) and will adjust all 6 fans unless you put the fans in manual control with a button. I think it's the most elegant solution, and apparently I'm not alone.

Most people agree you can get away with just a silver coil, especially if your tubing is opaque. Even my white Primoflex tubing I just bought says "anti-microbial" on it.

You don't need dye.. Believe me, if you've got a wet leak, you'll know. If it's minor enough that it dries out before it impacts anything, then it's not likely to drip enough to see even with die in it (especially on black radiators and such).

That HAF case should be good since it's the same size as the HAF-X if I understand correctly, but why not just go full blown HAF-X? I did, and I've never even thought about being happier with another case (okay, the 800D is tempting, but it's another price point entirely for not that much more benefit IMO).

I'm in FL (moving up north soon though) so I've always been interested in watercooling since we tend to keep our house hotter because of the expense of A/C, so I'm with you. The sad reality though is that the increased efficiency of removing heat from your computer that watercooling will provide will actually increase house temperature more than a less efficient method like air cooling would have. At least we've got more efficient processors?
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Oh, and for some recommendations on the parts, the Laing D5 pumps are always popular for complex setups. It is used in the Swiftech 655 (which comes in variable speed as an option if desired, though I don't know why it would be desired really).

Great radiators if you are going to use controllable fans are the HW labs GTX or SR-1 with high CFM fans, because it gives you the overhead when you need it, but if you're using a fan controller moderating fan speed based on CPU temps through PWM, then there's no problem as it'll lower fan speed when it isn't needed and will increase it when it is needed. Simple, thoughtless, and you won't have problems with overhead since it's incredibly dense of a radiator so it'll stand up to a lot more heat (better heat dissipation properties with higher CFM/RPM/speed fans) than other radiators can.

CPU blocks... Many get great reviews, but I'm partial to Swiftech, as they were my first watercooling kit The EK HT water blocks are very popular and get great reviews, as do the Swiftech XT blocks.

For VGA blocks, everyone loves the EK or the XSPC ones. You can't go wrong wither either as long as they fit.
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[QUOTE=Dr.GumbyM.D.;13217766

For a sensor and fan controller, Martin, who tested all of the fans, discusses towards the end of his fan article/uberthread that this is 2011 and why are people still using manual controls for fans instead of PWM, which has great fans available for it, and if nothing else at least there are automatic controllers that will control 3 pin fans using the PWM signal from your motherboard. That way you can use custom fan speed profiles to ensure silence when you don't need the horsepower, and allows the computer to get loud when needed. I just bought a Sunbeamtech 6 fan PWM controller that will take 1 PWM signal from the mobo (all that is needed IMO) and will adjust all 6 fans unless you put the fans in manual control with a button. I think it's the most elegant solution, and apparently I'm not alone.
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I'm so confused about PWM. Is the PWM wire the fourth one that not all fans have?

I'm also looking for a good fan/sensor solution. I currently manually control all my fans and have sensors attached in different places with electrical tape. Am I doing it wrong?
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PWM is the fourth wire. If you look at your motherboard fan headers, the CPU and one of the case/chassis fan headers has the fourth pin (assuming you're on your P8P67 Pro, as I am on mine).

The PWM sends a signal to a controller in the fan (when the fan has PWM) or in a control module (if you've got a controller that reads the PWM signal like the Sunbeamtech Rheosmart 6 and the controller chip will reduce the speed of the fan accordingly.

In your and my case (and the OPs case as well) we can use Asus' AI Suite's Fan Xpert program to manually set a graph of at what temperature the fans will speed up or slow down (fan speed curve). Like I mentioned, this means that if you want silence at idle, and your temps are low at idle, it'll keep the fans idle. When you're folding or gaming or whatnot and your loop heats up (CPU will always be the highest temp in the loop, so you can use the fan profile for the CPU to control all PWM controls) the fans will automatically ramp up to cool it down. Why anyone uses manual fan speed controls anymore, I do not understand.
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That seems like a great cooling solution. You have all your fans based off the CPU PWM header? I guess it makes sense, since the other components usually heat up along side the CPU.

That's neat. So you plug one cable (what kind of cable btw?) from the CPU fan header into a fan controller which adjusts the speed of all the fans accordingly? Is that right?
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Thanks Dr. and I +'d your rep for your help. I didn't even know about the HAF-X and it looks like a better solution. And I agree, that if fan speed can be controlled automatically based on load, then that would be the better option, and I imagine cheaper.

I'm going to make an attempt to put together a full shopping list of items I need, down to the last little detail and put it up for review. I saw a video about using 45degree angle elbows to help with preventing kinks and keeping things smooth and whatnot, but I have no idea if I'll need them based on the items I'm purchasing because I don't know what the angles are going to be without laying them all out in front of me.
    
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That seems like a great cooling solution. You have all your fans based off the CPU PWM header? I guess it makes sense, since the other components usually heat up along side the CPU.

That's neat. So you plug one cable (what kind of cable btw?) from the CPU fan header into a fan controller which adjusts the speed of all the fans accordingly? Is that right?
Yep, all fans based off one PWM controller on the mobo. The controller will also draw power from a Molex directly from your power supply, so you don't have to worry about burning out your motherboard's header either.

The plugs are a 4 pin to 4 pin which is included with the controller unit. The fans all plug into the controller behind it. I put the link in there so you could check it out.

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Originally Posted by Bellagiofan View Post
Thanks Dr. and I +'d your rep for your help. I didn't even know about the HAF-X and it looks like a better solution. And I agree, that if fan speed can be controlled automatically based on load, then that would be the better option, and I imagine cheaper.

I'm going to make an attempt to put together a full shopping list of items I need, down to the last little detail and put it up for review. I saw a video about using 45degree angle elbows to help with preventing kinks and keeping things smooth and whatnot, but I have no idea if I'll need them based on the items I'm purchasing because I don't know what the angles are going to be without laying them all out in front of me.
I can't talk enough about how much I love my HAF-X, especially for its relatively reasonable price (and free shipping from Amazon FTW!). The fan controller is like $30, but then you don't have to "settle" for PWM controlled fans. You can use Gentle Typhoon fans or whatever you want PWM, 3 pin, 2 pin, whatever and they all work fine on the controller.

I don't really know the angles either, I'm actually going to build my setup tonight and post online a buildlog of how it goes, so you'll be welcome to check that out and maybe get some ideas for your setup if/when that happens.
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Thanks Dr.

I'm reviewing radiators and I'm getting lost in the whole push/pull debate and what fits in the top of the Haf-X depending on said push/pull. I read having both push and pull fans is the best and found this article:

http://www.overclock.net/computer-ca...-question.html

The space between fins and the required power of fans to run based on that is starting to give me a headache. At the end of the day, I just want a clean fit that is going to provide optimal cooling.

As far as the reservoir, I found them, specifically the one I like:

EK-Bay Spin Reservoir - Acetal

Now with this, the blocks, the pump, and whatever radiator I choose, I'm wondering if I'm running into different diameters and what I'll need to solve it.
    
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I saw that thread, and the conclusion of it was that it fit just fine. I just installed my kit earlier tonight, and it went perfectly smoothly other than me routing the tubing incorrectly because I'm an idiot.

Also, push/pull isn't a huge margin of difference over just push fans. There is a great article with pictures comparing the different ways to mount fans (including a radiator sandwich of radiator, fans, radiator), but I can't seem to find it now.

For that reservoir, I thought it was the EK Spin reservoir in acetal. It's a solid and very popular reservoir, same as I've got though I'm not using it.

I recommend checking out a bunch of cases, as Silverstone and Corsair have some great watercooling-friendly cases.

As far as the diameter thing, most items these days are threaded for G 1/4", so you'll buy barbs or compression fittings that will screw into them and then they will all be standardized to your tubing diameter. Most often recommended is to get 1/2" ID barbs and use 7/16" ID tubing so that it's very tight over the hoses. That's what I did for my setup, and so far so good, but for good measure I also used worm-drive clamps on all junctions. Some of the better tubing at very reasonable prices is Primoflex 7/16"ID tubing which can be had from amazon with free shipping if you have prime or spend more than $25 I think, which again I just bought and used and I'm happy with.
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