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If you don't want to WC the GPU, you can get a Asetek 570LX with a 240 MM rad. I still love mine after 8 months. Nice closed end system. Nothing to worry about.
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Ok here is my first draft of the build, let me know what you think. I'd love any suggestions that can improve efficiency/value. I'm hoping everything can fit, but if you see a potential where there could be space problems, I'm all ears. My guess is that I should have plenty of room since I only have one HDD and one media drive. I removed the smaller SSD, because I figured I could save a lot of money storing both the OS and popular programs/games on the single larger one.

    
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Bleh image shack link isn't working right for some reason.
Edited by Bellagiofan - 4/22/11 at 6:28pm
    
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I'm having a hard time displaying the graphic from image shack for some reason, trying to use the attachment feature. Hope this works...
    
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That pic worked. It looks like a great setup for sure.

Just a heads up, but with the upgrade Windows 7 install, you can get around needing to install XP first by just installing without a serial number (trial mode), then once installed, hit the upgrade to a better version button and use your serial, and it should install no problem. I've installed once like that and a few times by booting, it picking up a windows install, wiping that one entirely out and then installing, all using the upgrade version.
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According Microsoft's website, you can't overwrite XP with Win 7. It forces you to do a clean install anyway, so I think maybe it simply asks at some point when you throw in the Win 7 CD to throw in the XP CD for verification purposes only and move forward with the rest of the Win 7 install.

But regardless, I'll definitely try your tip. Seems easier.

On a side note, my GF flew across country with a friend of hers to keep her company while house sitting someone's dogs for the weekend. And so I figured what the heck, I'll do a poker tournament at one of the local casinos here in Vegas and finished in second making $3,100. So blam! Free computer pretty much lol.

I still want to be smart about the build and save where I can. I'm constantly second guessing myself on the rad/fan setup. Something tells me I'm missing a better option. I'm wondering if there is a way to stay within the 60mm and get more efficient cooling/airflow. From what I'm reading, having too thin a radiator is no good and the thicker the fan, the higher the CFMs, so if I'm roughly splitting the 60mm headroom 34mm(rad)/25mm(fan) to total 59mm, maybe I'm at the most efficient. I just hope 25mm fans running at 1400rpm are thick enough.

And I'm wondering if I need a fan controller. My lack of knowledge of how fans work is sparking lots of questions in my mind. For example, if I use the fans I have on the list, does simply changing the power through the wire to the fan affect the speed of the fan or do you have to specifically get a fan capable of variable speeds at various power levels? And what happens if I use the mobo with those fans? What control over the fan speed do I have via software if the fan is not specifically PWM? Are they just simply going to run at full speed whenever the cpu is on?

One thing I know is that the three fans on the outside (above the rad) are obviously going to be louder than the three inside the case (below the rad pushing air upward. So if I don't need the pulling fans at full speed, I wouldn't mind being able to control them, but obviously, the ideal scenario would be that all fans would adjust on the fly based on temperature sensors.

And lastly, I thought I read somewhere that the Haf-X has a hole somewhere to fill a res. Gravity would suggest the hole is somewhere at the top of the case. What are the odds that the res we're talking about from EK lines up perfectly with it and the 360 rad won't be getting in the way?

If the res doesn't line up, what am I looking at as far as ease of filling?

This would be so much easier if I could have everything in front of me like walking through a hardware store.

The res you own, is it the dual loop res designed for two pumps or the single pump res? And is it black or clear? The specific one I am interested in is the black one found here:

http://www.jab-tech.com/EK-Bay-Spin-...l-pr-4815.html

Instead of the dual loop one:

http://www.jab-tech.com/EK-Bay-Spin-...l-pr-4817.html

It seems like I can order the case with free shipping so I might just go ahead and order that for starters just so I have a much better perspective and can plan on what goes where. Especially the res, potential fan controller, and pump. Everything else is pretty self-explanatory.
    
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On a side note, my GF flew across country with a friend of hers to keep her company while house sitting someone's dogs for the weekend. And so I figured what the heck, I'll do a poker tournament at one of the local casinos here in Vegas and finished in second making $3,100. So blam! Free computer pretty much lol.
Awesome, congratulations on your new free computer

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I still want to be smart about the build and save where I can. I'm constantly second guessing myself on the rad/fan setup. Something tells me I'm missing a better option. I'm wondering if there is a way to stay within the 60mm and get more efficient cooling/airflow. From what I'm reading, having too thin a radiator is no good and the thicker the fan, the higher the CFMs, so if I'm roughly splitting the 60mm headroom 34mm(rad)/25mm(fan) to total 59mm, maybe I'm at the most efficient. I just hope 25mm fans running at 1400rpm are thick enough.
Most people use a 25mm fan and it works fine. I've even got a HW Labs GTX360 (one of the more dense rads) and am using 2200rpm 25mm thick fans on it, and they've been up to the task thus far, but only my CPU is on the loop. It only gets to about 50c load now. When I add a GPU, I may switch the fans out for 35mm deep Panaflos which I bought in expectation of not having any fans for the radiator from the beginning, but fortunately it came with fans.

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And I'm wondering if I need a fan controller. My lack of knowledge of how fans work is sparking lots of questions in my mind. For example, if I use the fans I have on the list, does simply changing the power through the wire to the fan affect the speed of the fan or do you have to specifically get a fan capable of variable speeds at various power levels? And what happens if I use the mobo with those fans? What control over the fan speed do I have via software if the fan is not specifically PWM? Are they just simply going to run at full speed whenever the cpu is on?
You don't need a fan controller if you find fans that you don't mind the sound of when they're running at 100% all the time, or if you find PWM fans and daisy chain them together (I believe Arctic Cooling's PWM fans have this ability), however I would not daisy chain them together off of a motherboard header, because the power draw could damage the motherboard, so it kind of negates using PWM anyway. There is a great adapter that will split a PWM signal from the mobo header to 3 or 4 fan plugs, and will draw its power from a molex from your PSU, so that's one option. I used it and it worked great for my H50. Because I went with watercooling and wanted to be able to control fans that did not support PWM (like Panaflos), I ended up just buying a fan controller that took in the PWM signal from the motherboard and uses it to control all 6 fan channels that it supports, while again drawing power from the PSU. The one I bought is the Sunbeamtech Rheosmart 6.

With fans that are not PWM, they run at 100%. The first two wires are for power, and the third is for reporting RPM. The fourth added wire for PWM sends the control signal to the fan (if it supports it) to control speed. Some motherboards can control voltage of fans I believe, but I've never seen it or used it. A non-pwm fan's speed is changed through the voltage (first two wires) being manipulated by a controller (fan controller, etc).

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One thing I know is that the three fans on the outside (above the rad) are obviously going to be louder than the three inside the case (below the rad pushing air upward. So if I don't need the pulling fans at full speed, I wouldn't mind being able to control them, but obviously, the ideal scenario would be that all fans would adjust on the fly based on temperature sensors.
I don't think the top three will be much louder, especially if you get good fans. If you get good fans, all you'll hear is wind noise for the most part as the air rushes through the radiator. If top fans on the outside make you hesitant, you can just get stronger or deeper fans for the bottom and run them in just push mode. You wouldn't want to control the pulling fans separately, and I don't think you'd want them to be different from the bottom fans or run at a different speed/cfm than the bottom fans, because if they're not moving the same amount of air as the bottom fans, they're reducing/blocking the amount of air able to be moved away from the radiator.

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And lastly, I thought I read somewhere that the Haf-X has a hole somewhere to fill a res. Gravity would suggest the hole is somewhere at the top of the case. What are the odds that the res we're talking about from EK lines up perfectly with it and the 360 rad won't be getting in the way?
The HAF-X's hole for filling a res is not really that... It's a third hole in the back top of the case. It has two which could be for an external radiator mounted in back and the third to fill the loop. But you wouldn't want to make a mess of the plumbing back there. Most reservoirs have a hole right on top of them to fill them. The EK one has a large screw hole on top, so you'd release it from the drive bay (simple push of the locking mechanism) to slide it out, then just unscrew that hole, fill as needed, slide back in, and pop the locking mechanism back in to secure the reservoir.

Before committing, make sure that others have used a dual 5.25" reservoir in the HAF-X, as I realize that there are very small protrusions in the sides of the 5.25" bays in the case to support an optical drive. They're about 1" long, and only come out about 1.5mm, but that could block a reservoir from fitting in there. I believe I've seen a HAF-X with the EK spin reservoir, but the owner might have had to dremel down those support rails so they didn't block the reservoir. (I actually just tested this, and yes, those support rails do block the reservoir... so you'd have to be comfortable shaving them back to use any dual-bay reservoir or pump/reservoir setup)

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If the res doesn't line up, what am I looking at as far as ease of filling?

This would be so much easier if I could have everything in front of me like walking through a hardware store.
I'm trying to figure it out for you with my case and the crap I've got sitting around

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The res you own, is it the dual loop res designed for two pumps or the single pump res? And is it black or clear? The specific one I am interested in is the black one found here:

http://www.jab-tech.com/EK-Bay-Spin-...l-pr-4815.html

Instead of the dual loop one:

http://www.jab-tech.com/EK-Bay-Spin-...l-pr-4817.html
I've got the dual bay single reservoir EK spin in acetal (first link. it's all black, except clear on the front, with a white spin wheel).

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It seems like I can order the case with free shipping so I might just go ahead and order that for starters just so I have a much better perspective and can plan on what goes where. Especially the res, potential fan controller, and pump. Everything else is pretty self-explanatory.
Definitely true. It helps to be able to plan, though the pictures online of the case should certainly help. I also put up my build log on here, and it has some pictures of my less than perfect setup. A great build to watch and get ideas from is here as well as other setups here, here, and here.

I hope that gives you a good starting point and helps out
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Man, I don't know if you can multiple +1 someone's rep but I just hit yours again. You've been very informative and detailed, I really appreciate it. That res you have is exactly what I'm looking for. If you do want to sell it, how much (plus shipping) would you be asking for? If it's close to what I can get online, I'd rather let you hold onto it in case you need it for a future build. It seems like a sweet res.

And since I have a dremel and have modded stuff before, I'm comfortable with doing whatever I need to fit the res in the drive bays. I'm just curious, how much slack would you need in your tubing from the pump to the res and from the res to the rad in order to allow the res to be pulled out for filling? Seems like all the pictures I've seen of peoples' builds, everything is really snug with little or no slack on tubing.
    
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lol I'm very glad I can help. I'll PM you about the res.

As far as slack, I didn't intend to leave much in mine, but there is still room to manipulate the pump and move it around when moving the case. What you can do is just add extra length for the reservoir's lines. It likely won't fudge too much up. It doesn't look as clean maybe, but lines that are super straight aren't good either because the tubing can bend and kink. The reservoir's fill port is only 1.5" deep from the front of the reservoir, so that's all the movement you'd need to be able to remove the fill port to unscrew it, put in a funnel, and fill it. You wouldn't have to add 1.5" of tubing either, maybe just an inch, and as long as your tubing is loose enough in the case it'll have some slack to make up the other .5" (or probably even more than that).
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Ok here's the latest draft of my list:

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