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I agree with DR about the fans and cooling.

I see fan controllers as a primitive means (and frankly unecessary) way of controlling fans.

Especially now we have EFI BIOS's, we should have a software level control over fan behavior. I'm very disappointed at how most people are totally unaware at how lacking fan control really is, and there's just no excuse for it.
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For inserting pictures, use the tags of "[-img-]" and "[-/img-]" except remove the - marks and no quotations needed, just those tags.

build is looking sick. That's going to be such a nice computer. I'm very jealous.

As thingamajig mentioned, definitely go with the Rheosmart 6 if you want a fan controller, as you can hook it up to a PWM header on the motherboard, set up a fan profile in the "Asus AI Suite II"'s "Fan Xpert" program to have the fans go up and down as loads demand it. What I love about that option is that you can put really insane fans on your radiator that might be too loud for 24/7 use, and since the computer will only ramp them up when you're going crazy in a game or folding or whatnot, you probably won't care much.

Combine that with a GTX360 radiator, and it's golden. That being said, if you go with the HAF-X and a thick radiator, you won't be able to fit a 38mm fan in the middle fan part because the RAM slots would be in the way, so you'd need a 25mm there. I've asked Martin, the fan testing guru, on what would be a good 25mm fan to match my 38mm fans if I put them at the top on my GTX360, so I can let you know what he recommends.

Really, I'd rather go with an RX360 with 25mm fans (gentle typhoons or whatnot) than a slim radiator like the Quietpower (though I still love swiftech), but to each their own.
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Wow, I'm really glad I read this thread and that info about the Rheosmart. I was really looking into getting the Lamptron FC-6 but now I won't be. I'd much rather have auto profiles. But I have a Gigabyte 890 GPA-UD3H board. It does have a 4-pin CPU fan connector. Is that what I would be using if I got the Rheosmart? And then I just plug all my fans into the back of that.
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If I went with the XSPC RX360, at nearly 60mm, wouldn't I be forced to go pull only with the motherboard I'm using? Won't adding a 25mm push fan get in the way of the ram modules?

After looking at one of the other rigs, looks like I'll have room for a RX120 at the bottom. Wondering if it's worth doing. My guess would be putting a pull fan on top sending air upwards where it'll get sucked out the top.

I just don't see a need to go SLI with the games I play (I'm not a fan of FPS games). I'm more of a Starcraft / Diablo / Civilizations kind of person and if I find myself falling into another MMORPG (which has in total sucked away at least a decade of my life), I'm going to kick my own ass for being an idiot.

I just need the power and SSD drives because I run a very intense data mining app for work and just want to be able to have a vid card strong enough to handle the types of games I play. Really looking forward to Diablo III, which I think SLI would be overkill for that game.

Now lastly, I just remembered, I'm using a full block for the GTX580. What should I be using for the VRMs? Thermal Tape or pads or something else? And what's the best brand?
    
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. Is that what I would be using if I got the Rheosmart? And then I just plug all my fans into the back of that.
Yep. You just plug one lead from your mobo 4-pin port into the Rheosmart, then plug your fans into the Rheosmart, and you can have it control the temps based on software (I'd look into the Gigabyte software and make sure it's capable. I'm running the Asus software, and it's a dream, but I've never seen the Gigabyte suite). If you want fans to do something other than the mobo's recommended speed, then you can always set a fan speed manually (like case fans or whatnot)

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If I went with the XSPC RX360, at nearly 60mm, wouldn't I be forced to go pull only with the motherboard I'm using? Won't adding a 25mm push fan get in the way of the ram modules?
I went push only, as I don't want 2 sets of fans. You should be fine adding fans underneath the radiator, and can even add 38mm fans on the front and back spots, just not in the middle, where the RAM is. Where the RAM is, you'd need a 25mm fan. Your radiator is 63mm thick by XSPC's specs (but only 58.5 by FrozenCPU's specs....), and mine is 54mm by HW Lab's specs.
According to this build you can actually do 25mm push/pull for your fans (just not 38mm). Apparently the difference in specs between XSPC and FrozenCPU is that there is two different revisions of the same radiator, with XSPC having updated specs (bigger radiator) and FrozenCPU having older specs.

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After looking at one of the other rigs, looks like I'll have room for a RX120 at the bottom. Wondering if it's worth doing. My guess would be putting a pull fan on top sending air upwards where it'll get sucked out the top.
I would just hang on until you've got your setup figured out. If you're not doing SLI, then you'll likely be fine with just a good RX360, especially if you go push/pull.

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I just don't see a need to go SLI with the games I play (I'm not a fan of FPS games). I'm more of a Starcraft / Diablo / Civilizations kind of person and if I find myself falling into another MMORPG (which has in total sucked away at least a decade of my life), I'm going to kick my own ass for being an idiot.
I understand, except I've never been sucked into an RPG... Civ5 however... I've dumped probably 30 hours in the first 2 weeks it was out into it... Awesome game Battlefield Bad Company 2.... I have no idea, but it's a lot of hours over a lot of months. I guess I did the same for CoD4 too though...

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I just need the power and SSD drives because I run a very intense data mining app for work and just want to be able to have a vid card strong enough to handle the types of games I play. Really looking forward to Diablo III, which I think SLI would be overkill for that game.
If you haven't had an SSD yet, you're in for a treat. With UEFI (the new BIOS replacement) and an SSD, booting is a charm, and is VERY quick (especially if you turn off RAID and the Marvell controller and whatnot)

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Now lastly, I just remembered, I'm using a full block for the GTX580. What should I be using for the VRMs? Thermal Tape or pads or something else? And what's the best brand?
The block should include Thermal Tape or pads for the installation, and probably even some TIM for the GPU as well. I know I'm a big fan of aftermarket TIM, so I'd use my own, but to each their own.

I don't know of a "best brand," but the EK is by far the most popular you'll hear about, XSPC has some decent blocks for better prices (I just ordered the XSPC block for the 6970). I would just look around the forum and see what people are saying (even check the Nvidia video card section and see if there is a watercooled 580 club or something thread that you can get tips from.
Edited by Dr.GumbyM.D. - 4/25/11 at 7:39am
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Is that Rheosmart 6 one of the only ones that can do that with the PWM??

I've been looking at Scythe and Lamptron and the descriptions aren't the best.
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I looked around, and on neither Scythe nor Lamptron's sites have any mention of PWM control of fans unfortunately. This thread is a terrible, good thread. Terrible, in that there is a LOT of miscommunication of what PWM is, but good because it's a discussion of these fan controllers. I believe that PWM just means "digital control of fans" in layman's terms. Apparently Lamptron uses it to mean that. When I say "PWM" controller, I mean a controller that inputs a Pulse-Width Modulation signal (4th pin) from the motherboard, and adjusts the fans it controls based on that information. To my knowledge, only the Rheosmart 6 does that.

I looked at a lot of reviews of the Lamptron controllers in question (as well as a few for the scythe) and none state PWM control. One of Sythe's controllers has a 4 pin header on the board, so it may support PWM, but the design of the control knobs and the layout would suggest otherwise, plus there is no mention in english of it.

When I went with the Rheosmart 6, I knew I wouldn't want fancy LCD screens (NZXT has a nice one that MaxPC used in their Dream Machine, if I were to use one, I'd get that), so I didn't mind not having a screen. I also have a Logitech G15 keyboard, so I have GPU-Z and CoreTemp giving me readouts constantly about temperatures, so one more reason I didn't need a screen. Also, I don't get why people use them if the only readout they give are from wherever you stick a temperature probe and not from info from the system itself. You'll never get a stick-on temperature probe to give anywhere near accurate readings of the hardware you're protecting with its technology...
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Update:

I ordered the case (Newegg), mobo and PSU (Amazon) today so I can get them in my hands and finally feel confident the rad/fan choices I make will fit. I got newegg to agree to refund $9 of shipping charges for the mobo (case and PSU were free shipping eligible already) because I told them that I wanted to first order those parts so I can see what fits when ordering the rest and wanted a break on shipping.

Really cool they'd do that, except right when I finished chatting with the rep, the board was taken out of my shopping cart because the three in stock went to 0. So I bit the bullet and ordered it from Amazon at like $15-20 more after shipping. Seems like retailers only get a few of these in at a time, and Amazon was also only showing a few in stock so I didn't want to hesitate any longer.

I want to provide full board cooling, so I'm ordering the EK-FB ASUS Max4 Extreme - Nickel and using two of their 12mm compression fittings. I have to order directly from EK since the full board isn't yet available in the US. Kinda pricy, but if I'm going to be overclocking, I really need to have the piece of mind that all things that get hot are being cooled.

I find it funny that the heaviest components, the case and PSU are free shipping.

I verified that the GPU block does indeed come with the thermal pads.

It's gone over the $3,500 mark I was trying to stay under, but what the heck. After winning $3,100 in that poker tourney on Friday, it's doesn't really matter. Now I'm actually looking at a larger monitor than the 24" Benq I'm using now.

As far as wire management, I saw the badonkadonk case build and was sexually aroused over the cable management, but the thought of sleeving all those wires, and doing it right... I don't think I have the ability or desire to do that. But I do want it clean, so what do you recommend? Zip ties? If so, any specific ones that work best?

Here's my updated list. I broke out the costs between the system and cooling so I can more easily see how much the cooling is costing.


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LoL I just remembered that the older flat panel monitor I have on my secondary machine won't be compatible with my existing comp, so I definitely need a new display. I'm on Excel half the day for work and the thought of a 30" monitor over my existing Benq 24" gives me a bon...afide feeling of excitement.

So I'm looking at the HP IPS 30" ZR30w. Seems like the reviews are very very strong. I have the desk space, so that's not going to be a problem. I went to CES and LG is putting out some ridiculously awesome new monitors specifically built for 3D, but they're small in size. And I'm not really on the 3D bandwagon. Glasses are awkward and uncomfortable and I feel like my eyes are working on serious overdrive when viewing a screen with a lot of 3D action. I can predict that lengthy gaming in 3d will cause at best full body fatigue, and at worse, eye strain that causes perm damage.

I imagine that any decent LCD's 3D capability will be mostly driven by the capability on the graphics card, so if I do want to take advantage of 3D in the future, the monitor should be good for it. Most of the reviews I've been reading don't go into 3D, though. I guess it's just not that popular right now.
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