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Windows VM is better on XP, however from my experience VMWare works better with the improved multi-core support of windows 7
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Originally Posted by superj1977 View Post
You would loose DX11 if you even care for it.

You may have some browser issue with flash in 64 bit internet explorer,mayeb they sorted it now i dunno.

Also i had trouble finding an all in one 64bit Antivirus/Firewall that i liked and was free.

Thats all i remember at the moment as its been a year since i ran 64 bit xp
I can't loss of imagine DX11 affecting me. I tried 64 bit IE9 and couldn't find Flash for it (except a Beta) and it even said it can't be set as default browser. So it's not really much use. Fine with 32 bit browsers and Flash.

Avast seems to be working fine on my Win7 x64. I can't see why it wouldn't work on XP x64 too. Of course you did say "i liked" so maybe you don't like Avast.

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in terms of the points why your hate win 7.

-turn it off in msconfig under tools tab
-no not if you have administrative rights on your user account
-you can revert back to xp mode in the themes and display settings
-you can add that to your shell via registry
-you can run them in compatibility mode by right clicking the exe and hitting properties. also there are version that work with 7.
-not true.
Turned off UAC. It's not true about the administrative rights though. I've got my user account set to administrator, but that's not as powerful as right-clicking on an apps shortcut and choosing "run as administrator". I've got examples of where an app will only work if run as administrator like that.

When reverting to XP mode in themes and display settings, I imagine that's just a theme that makes the window chrome look like XP. I doubt it really affects how explorer works. I find that when I click on a folder or navigate up and down a list of folders, it behaves completely different to XP. The right window pane doesn't automatically retrieve the contents of what's selected in the left pane, and when you expand a folder it jumps wildly. When you click on a drive or folder it's also different. Plus there's no toolbar, and the auto-refresh of windows doesn't work. If I rename a file in the right pane (or delete one) it keeps it's old name until you manually refresh the window. It's as if someone rewrote explorer from scratch and they'd never tried using the original. Sure, some people might prefer the way it works now, but it bugs me at least a dozen times a day. I never had any success with compatibility mode on all applications I was trying to install. I did on some, but not all.

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in terms of the points why your hate win 7.
things you will lose

-a more robust os
-a more secure os
-a more stable os
-dx 11
-newer hardware and software made will not work in xp. due to drivers and support.
-xp 64 sucks compared to win 7 64. xp 64 never got the support win 7 did from the start.
Yeah, this is the catch 22 I'm in.

OK, you guys convinced me to stick with it at least a few more weeks. It would be massively less annoying if I'd had a 3rd party explorer application instead of using explorer.exe, because I'd be able to continue with it.
    
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XP X64 doesn't have the driver support that Vista & Windows 7 have for devices, being that you're using all new hardware you'd find pretty quicklty that most everything you have doesn't have a driver for XP X64, so in short yes you're stuck with Win7 unless you want to go 32bit and lose all your ram.
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Windows VM is better on XP, however from my experience VMWare works better with the improved multi-core support of windows 7
Yeah I've heard that. Trouble is, 4 or 5 years ago when I was wanting to start using VMs, I tried out Windows VM and VMWare and I liked WVM more at that time. So I went with it and now I've got about 20 Virtual Machines (for all combinations of Windows with IE versions plus a few Linux). I know there are conversion tools to convert a Win VM to a VMWare VM but it's not nearly as easy as it's made out to be.
    
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- You can turn UAC mode off....
- I rarely have to run anything as admin...
Here's an example of what I'm talking about. If I start notepad from it's shortcut with a regular left-click, below is the situation I get. It's not allowed to save the hosts file. If, however, I right-click the notepad icon and choose "run as administrator", then I *am* allowed to save that file. I often have to update it about 30 times a day (for work). You can see in the pic that my account *is* an administrator though.

    
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As long as you can get past the fact that XP has awful SSD support, terrible memory management and it wouldn't surprise me if most of your hardware lacked XP x64 drivers, go for it. I feel like you want to do this, and refuse to be talked out of it. So do it, and report back.
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Here's an example of what I'm talking about. If I start notepad from it's shortcut with a regular left-click, below is the situation I get. It's not allowed to save the hosts file. If, however, I right-click the notepad icon and choose "run as administrator", then I *am* allowed to save that file. I often have to update it about 30 times a day (for work). You can see in the pic that my account *is* an administrator though.
Oh, some good news. It turns out that turning off UAC *completely* does get around this. Now my administrator rights are really administrator rights.

Yaaay. One less Win7 annoyance to deal with
    
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why are you editing the hosts file anyway, there is no need to edit that file at all.
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As long as you can get past the fact that XP has awful SSD support, terrible memory management and it wouldn't surprise me if most of your hardware lacked XP x64 drivers, go for it. I feel like you want to do this, and refuse to be talked out of it. So do it, and report back.
Other way around, sort of. I want to be talked out of it, if being talked out of it is the right thing to do.

I'll have to research and investigate every single thing that annoys me about Win 7 and try and make it work how I want it to. I've got the damn UAC fully out of the way now, that's a big start.
    
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why are you editing the hosts file anyway, there is no need to edit that file at all.
There are many many reasons to want to edit the hosts file. I've got three reasons.

One, to block a site by replacing it's IP address with 127.0.0.1.
Two, to force an IP address to channel through a VPN instead of DNS'ing locally.
Three, to force an IP address because propagation to CDNs is slow and sometimes you want to point to an origin server directly.
Four, (the fourth of my three reasons), to force an IP address to a shadow test site.
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