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Poll Results: Which card is best suited for the upgrade in my situation?

 
  • 42% (3)
    Nvidia GTX 460 768MB
  • 28% (2)
    Nvidia GTX 460 1GB
  • 14% (1)
    Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 Xtreme 1GB (or whichever is the best 5850)
  • 14% (1)
    Other (please comment)
7 Total Votes  
post #1 of 8
Thread Starter 
The rig in question is what you see in my sig. It's been my faithful gaming machine for over 6 years (originally started life with a FX-55 and a 6800GT back in December 2004, then went to 7800GTX a year or so later, and last thing I did was in December 2006 I went to the 8800GTS and X2 4400+)

So as you can see, the video card is pushing over 4 years old now. I don't want to build a new machine yet as this thing is STILL kicking some butt. That said, I think it's got one last upgrade in it: the video card. I guess I was prompted by the prices I've been seeing on cards and realized this would be the last hurrah for the machine, sort of like how I got the X2 4400+ just as AMD phased them out.

To make a long story short, I'm stuck with what I should do. I've done my research and it seems that my best bang for buck would be a GTX 460. I know that it's probably a bit much for the X2 4400+ and it will be bottlenecked, however I can't find any GTX 260 cards, not to mention that the current deals on the 460 would make it cheaper than the 260 anyways (plus when I do build a new machine, it'll make it less likely I'll have to get a new card, as look how long this 8800 has carried me).

However, my concern is whether the PSU has enough juice to power the whole machine with this upgrade, doubly so as I will definitely overclock the 460 (duh, what site are we on again? ) In addition, I would like to keep the 8800 card to have it do PhysX, but I don't know whether the mobo would support it, and I'm going to guess I DEFINITELY don't have enough juice to pull this off. So if I can't do that, it's ok (plus I could then sell the 8800 to recoup some of the upgrade cost, no idea how much but I would hope $30-$45) however I've got to be able to at least just have the 460 running.

Another question is whether I would go with the 768 or 1GB version. I'm inclined to lean towards the latter because of the 192 vs 256-bit memory bus difference. You're probably going to say, but Warrior, at the resolution you're running at based on the monitor in your sig, you won't see those improvements. Here's where I mention that I am also looking into FINALLY getting a new monitor, which will likely run at 1680x1050 or 1920x1080. So I'll need that extra power for running AA at those resolutions.

Here's where the problem lies. I've stumbled upon another card that a LOT of people are talking about in context with the GTX 460. And that is the Radeon HD 5850. In my particular case, I stumbled upon a deal for a Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 Xtreme for $140. And I really like what I'm seeing on the card, which is apparently that Sapphire redesigned it to be more efficient and they are using the cooler from a higher card (I think HD 6850?). Two issues though: 1)it's not clear to me which card performs better, especially when you bring in OC'ing to the picture and 2) as you can tell, I'm a Nvidia guy. I've never owned an ATI card, as Nvidia has never been a disappointment all the way back to my first one, a Geforce 4 Ti 4600. So there's a lot of bias, which I openly admit. Last thing of course is the same question as with the Nvidia option, and that's whether I've got enough wattage to run it.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I hope it's helpful in helping me make a decision. I know lots of people will jump at me and say I need to build a whole new machine, but I don't want to do that yet, plus I don't have the money for a full blown build at this point. And I think this machine still stands to gain quite a jump in performance in upgrading the video card one last time.

Thank you ahead of time for those who can help.

TL;DR - looking to do one final upgrade on the video card on my sig rig. Taking into account it's components, what's available on the market, and prices on said market, I'm thinking a GTX 460 or HD 5850 but not entirely sure.

Edit - Just came across something that points even more in favor of the GTX 460. Apparently, a new set of drivers just came out that improve performance of the card quite a bit? Can't confirm whether this is true or not, but I don't doubt that there can be performance gains from better drivers (and I've seen this happen in the past with Nvidia cards), especially as this is a relatively new card still (I think the 460 was out May or June?)
Edited by Warrior1986 - 4/21/11 at 1:20pm
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If it were my rig, I personally would buy a 5770 and call it a day.
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post #3 of 8
It would be not too wise to get another video card unless you plan on doing a cpu, mb, and ram upgrade as there will be a pretty heavy bottleneck. BUT for future upgrade holdings, I'd say the 460 1gb would be the best choice assuming you plan on doing an over hual soon. I read the tl;dr....
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post #4 of 8
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Originally Posted by joemaniaci View Post
If it were my rig, I personally would buy a 5770 and call it a day.
I second this.
post #5 of 8
1. The PSU will easily power a GeForce GTX 460 no problem. I have 100W more and I'm powering alot more and even I'm doing more than fine.

2. get the 1GB version. The bus width isn't the only difference. The 1GB version is just all around better at performance.

3. Per the Radeon 5850, I saw this deal mentioned on another site. I THINK it's better, and considering the price, that makes it a better deal. If price for performance is a big factor, get it. If you prefer nVidia, get the GeForce GTX 460.

Edit: per the PSU, it will be enough for the upgrade, but I'm not 100% sure it will take the GeForce GTX 460 and the GeForce 8800GTS for PhysX. I want to say it should, but I can't be sure. I was thinking of putting my old GeForce 8800GT in mine for PhysX, but I realized the heat/power draw wasn't worth like one or two games I don't play all too often.
Edited by Princess Garnet - 4/21/11 at 1:29pm
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
To those suggesting the 5770, what is the reason? Cost? Less of a "waste" on my setup? (i.e. will be less bottlenecked) Most of the benchmarks I see have the 5770 below both cards (well duh for ATI), in certain cases by quite a bit. And the price difference is only $20-30, not to mention the 5770 looks much larger and I'm not sure if the length would be a problem in my case.

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Originally Posted by Princess Garnet View Post
1. The PSU will easily power a GeForce GTX 460 no problem. I have 100W more and I'm powering alot more and even I'm doing more than fine.

2. get the 1GB version. The bus width isn't the only difference. The 1GB version is just all around better at performance.

3. Per the Radeon 5850, I saw this deal mentioned on another site. I THINK it's better, and considering the price, that makes it a better deal. If price for performance is a big factor, get it. If you prefer nVidia, get the GeForce GTX 460.

Edit: per the PSU, it will be enough for the upgrade, but I'm not 100% sure it will take the GeForce GTX 460 and the GeForce 8800GTS for PhysX. I want to say it should, but I can't be sure. I was thinking of putting my old GeForce 8800GT in mine for PhysX, but I realized the heat/power draw wasn't worth like one or two games I don't play all too often.
Thanks, the more I read, the clear choice is the 1GB version, and as there is little to no price difference, no reason to go with the 768MB version.

And I thought about it, and realized as well that having the 8800 in there just for PhysX would be pointless, as I don't think I play any games that heavily use PhysX.
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post #7 of 8
HD 5850 is the best deal,its faster than gtx460 & works nicely with newer AMD drivers,
go with hd5850
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post #8 of 8
I say 5770 since it is low wattage, cheap and even if the rest of your system does create a bottleneck(which I don't see) you will still be seeing a nice performance increase versus cost. Open box 5770 can be had for $100.
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