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"If you look back at the way retail charts have been made, they have been proven to be telling an inaccurate story," Holtman told MCV. "They apparently had shown how the PC format was dying when it was actually thriving."
lol, because they didn't include digital distribution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by spacegoast View Post
My thoughts exactly. Why would they post bogus numbers? Instead, the information is just omitted and not counted. This makes the PC platform seem as though sales arent very good, when in fact sales may very well have improved year over year. Steam accounts for a vast majority of PC game sales (60-70% would be my guess) and when their sales figures arent included it looks bad for the PC gaming industry.
You add all the estimated revenue Valve makes in a year (Valve doesn't release anything, but most partners do) to the reported NPA amount for retail PC games it would be equal to what PC gaming brought in the year 2001 and about 25% of the reported retail console game sales which doesn't include used game sales and rentals. To be honest, I am not even sure if it includes online purchases of console games either (like from Newegg or Amazon). I think it is just brick and morter shops.

PC gaming might not be as dead as it would seem...but even with Steam's numbers it is not going to perk up any developers to start paying more attension to PC gaming.

Plus the more it is reported...the more control there will be...and taxes too.
Edited by Vagrant Storm - 4/22/11 at 8:51am
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If the government finds out how much $$ Valve is making they make Valve give away all their $$ to poor people, and we won't have any more games.
The government already knows how much valve makes. Do you think they don't pay taxes?
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Ofcorse they pay taxes, but the IRS isn't going to pick them out. To them Steam is just a number. However, if a sales report comes across a government official's desk then we will soon be looking at paying sales tax to buy a game from Steam
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There's other digital distro alternatives, you know. Direct2Drive, Impulse (rip), Good Old Games... I've been doing quite a lot of buying off the alternatives because I know that Steam is making money hand over fist. I see so many people go "not steam, not interested", and it just boggles my mind. The only outcome that can come by treating steam as though it's the only show in town will be steam.. well, becoming the only show in town. Do you think Steam would have sales on the scale they currently do without competition? Not bloody likely.
I just bought two games from D2D today, 5 since November and a few from GamersGate. They are close to a retail copy as it gets. I mixed it up between D2D, GamersGate and Amazon. Whoever has the best deal between those three for a new release. I don't consider Steam at all for new releases, I just wait for the Winter or weekend sales. Steam isn't giving 20-25% off games like D2D does on a monthly basis, Steam will give 10% off a new releases at most, then regular price for months after until the price dramatically drops at some point. I just haven't seen the "convenience" of Steam over D2D and GamersGate, and it's not worth the premium to have them "own" all of my games.
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Ofcorse they pay taxes, but the IRS isn't going to pick them out. To them Steam is just a number. However, if a sales report comes across a government official's desk then we will soon be looking at paying sales tax to buy a game from Steam
Do you work for the IRS? Do you know how they go about auditing companies?

The reason you don't pay taxes is because you don't live in Washington. If you did, you'd be moaning about how every other state enjoys tax-free gaming.
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Valve absolutely kills it with Steam.

Direct 2 Drive, Gamestop downloads, and the other online distributors do ok too.

Sometimes I feel like I should spread my purchases around and not buy everything through Steam... but then I realize that it's the makers of Half Life here wer'e talking about.
    
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To all those people saying that this is to prevent paying taxes:

If the IRS, Inland Revenue, Revenue Canada or any government tax bureau in any of the countries in which Steam operates requested sales figures for that region then they would get them. The alternative is usually that the company is stopped from trading, investigated and fined. Heavily.

This is about releasing sales figures into the public domain, not to private or official organizations. And it is far cry from saying "this year we turned over $x and made $y profit" to saying exactly how much they made and where.

Imagine, for example, if it turned out that Steam had poor sales on racing games. If dev has a new racing game this may influence their decision to use a competitor instead of Steam. No way any company is going to release that kind of info if it does not have to.
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Why does the number of copies sold matter when the developers are getting the money each sale? Should be extremely easy to calculate if they really want to know. Seems like just a cop out so they can cry about piracy more.
    
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