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You forgot to add an HDD to the list... with a 1TB HDD, the OP can't afford the SSD without going overbudget And if the OP wants to go slightly overbudget, and purchase something in the $750 range... it would be better if he bought the i5 2500k instead of the SSD.
Hm, I did. But it doesn't matter, anyway. OP: add a Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB for storage. The total will be $698 now.

And the $750 budget thing has already been covered extensively. I myself said to him that if he could stretch the budget he could go for a 2500K build but he said he can't go over budget.
    
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OP: Well at least go with the following setup. The motherboard costs ~$50 more BUT allows for AM3+ compatibility as well as FULL Crossfire support (the ASRock 890GX does NOT) so you can also use the upcoming Bulldozer processors as well as buy another Radeon 5850 in the future. Buying an AM3 motherboard is not a smart investment.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 925: $115
Motherboard: ASUS M4A89TD: $175
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB: $48
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5850: $140
HHD: WD 500GB Caviar Blue: $40
DVD Drive: Samsung SH-S223C DVD+RW Drive: $20
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER: $55 OR CM HAF 912:$50 with rebate ($60 without)
PSU: Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W: $80
Cooler:

: $27

Total: $700
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OP: Well at least go with the following setup. The motherboard costs ~$60 more BUT allows for AM3+ compatibility so you can also use the upcoming Bulldozer processors. Buying an AM3 motherboard is not a smart investment.

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 840: $110
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-890FXA-UD5: $165 after rebate
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB: $47
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 5850: $145
HHD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3: $55
DVD Drive: Samsung SH-S223C DVD+RW Drive: $20
Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 912 : $50 after rebate
PSU: Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W: $80
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Cooler: $27

Total: $699 after rebate ($724 before)

You can also get the ASUS M4A89TD for $10 more but it has no rebate.
*sigh*

First issue: Phenom II X4 840 isn't a real Phenom. It's a glorified Athlon II X4 that was rebranded. The Phenom II X4 925 is only $5 more and will give a lot more performance in gaming thanks to the big L3 cache, most of the time 10%. Two, that motherboard is hugely unnecessary. 16X/16X CrossFire gives you a huge boost over 8x/8x at 2560x1600 of... wait for it...












1%. USB 3.0 is fine and all, but there's currently a very limited amount of devices that support it. You can add a PCI-E USB 3.0 expansion card to the Asus when it becomes more prevalent on devices later on. Three, 32GB SSD+500GB HDD>1TB HDD. The OP never mentioned having a huge media collection, so storage capacity is probably a non issue. HAF 912 is very good but it's pretty limited when it comes to its appeal. I know a lot of people that don't like the "military and rugged" look. I like it, others don't.
Four, rebates suck. I don't want OP to have to wait three months to see if MAYBE they send it. Mine is $698 instant.
    
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I wouldn't pick on someone who chose the 840 over 925 so seriously, perhaps he didn't even know that the 925 is back on Newegg (since that only came back on very recently). Oh and uhh, I don't believe the 890FXA-UD5 (except rev 3.1) allows Am3+ compatibility. I find the RAM suggestion also extremely erroneous, it takes CL7 at 1333 to equal 1600 @ CL9 which costs the same or lower than that kit. I also make it a standard to price my builds before rebate.
Edited by xd_1771 - 4/22/11 at 3:04pm
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*sigh*

First issue: Phenom II X4 840 isn't a real Phenom. It's a glorified Athlon II X4 that was rebranded. The Phenom II X4 925 is only $5 more and will give a lot more performance in gaming thanks to the big L3 cache, most of the time 10%. Two, that motherboard is hugely unnecessary. 16X/16X CrossFire gives you a huge boost over 8x/8x at 2560x1600 of... wait for it... 1%. USB 3.0 is fine and all, but there's currently a very limited amount of devices that support it. You can add a PCI-E USB 3.0 expansion card to the Asus when it becomes more prevalent on devices later on. Three, 32GB SSD+500GB HDD>1TB HDD. The OP never mentioned having a huge media collection, so storage capacity is probably a non issue. HAF 912 is very good but it's pretty limited when it comes to its appeal. I know a lot of people that don't like the "military and rugged" look. I like it, others don't.
Four, rebates suck. I don't want OP to have to wait three months to see if MAYBE they send it. Mine is $698 instant.
1. Fixed, still under $699.
2. That motherboard is for AM3+ compatibility, your mobo will support a dead socket in a matter of months, and will be unable to have any Bulldozer CPUs on it - which is a GREAT loss and limitation.
3. 1TB is standard nowadays, if OP really doesn't need a 1TB drive, though the one I recommended comes at a great price and quality, he can go with your cheaper 500GB Caviar Blue.
4. He can go for the ASUS mobo, get the Caviar Blue and get the case you recommended to him and stay under $700. Problem solved if he wants to avoid rebates.
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1. Fixed, still under $699.
2. That motherboard is for AM3+ compatibility, your mobo will support a dead socket in a matter of months, and will be unable to have any Bulldozer CPUs on it - which is a GREAT loss and limitation.
3. 1TB is standard nowadays, if OP really doesn't need a 1TB drive, though the one I recommended comes at a great price and quality, he can go with your cheaper 500GB Caviar Blue.
4. He can go for the ASUS mobo, get the Caviar Blue and get the case you recommended to him and stay under $700. Problem solved if he wants to avoid rebates.
If you want AM3+ compatibility, you'd go with the motherboard xd mentioned: AsRock 890GX PRO3. You get more features than the board I listed, but alas, it's not in stock. I'd suggest waiting some days until it comes back instead of paying $40 to get another 890GX motherboard with the same features. The Gigabyte board you posted is horribly over-priced.

Actually, now that I look at it, the AsRock has 16X/4X "CrossFire", so I'd go with the ASUS still. If OP wants a semi-Bulldozer compatible board (remember, Bulldozer CPUs will not allow power savings on these boards and you'll lose other features), he'll have to push budget by $35.
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If you want AM3+ compatibility, you'd go with the motherboard xd mentioned: AsRock 890GX PRO3. You get more features than the board I listed, but alas, it's not in stock. I'd suggest waiting some days until it comes back instead of paying $40 to get another 890GX motherboard with the same features. The Gigabyte board you posted is horribly over-priced.
are the bulldozer chips really upwards of 50% more powerful than the current i7 chips?I read that somewhere...but if thats the case it will prob be out of my budget anyway =/ Once again I appreciate everyones help and suggestions this is helping more than you know. Now time to reread all these posts(just got home from work)
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You forgot to add an HDD to the list... with a 1TB HDD, the OP can't afford the SSD without going overbudget And if the OP wants to go slightly overbudget, and purchase something in the $750 range... it would be better if he bought the i5 2500k instead of the SSD.
I need to look into that. If I was to get a 2500k to stay within my price range I would have to skimp on the Mobo I think.

Edit: with the way things are looking I might just have to up my budget. At this rate I wont be able to get everything till Aug or at least sometime in the summer(Broke college kid)
Edited by Nimusho - 4/22/11 at 3:24pm
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I wouldn't pick on someone who chose the 840 over 925 so seriously, perhaps he didn't even know that the 925 is back on Newegg (since that only came back on very recently). Oh and uhh, I don't believe the 890FXA-UD5 (except rev 3.1) allows Am3+ compatibility. I find the RAM suggestion also extremely erroneous, it takes CL7 at 1333 to equal 1600 @ CL9 which costs the same or lower than that kit. I also make it a standard to price my builds before rebate.
Yes, I actually didn't see the X4 925 back... and what a great deal that CPU is. Anyway, I made a better RAM suggestion, and chose the ASUS motherboard instead of the Gigabyte one. I double checked that the ASUS mobo was AM3+ compatible - and it was. And I recommended a new case, to avoid all rebates.

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are the bulldozer chips really upwards of 50% more powerful than the current i7 chips?I read that somewhere...but if thats the case it will prob be out of my budget anyway =/ Once again I appreciate everyones help and suggestions this is helping more than you know. Now time to reread all these posts(just got home from work)
Every claim about Bulldozer performance is just speculation and completely untrue. No one knows how Bulldozer will perform, what is sure though, is that they will be better than Phenom IIs.

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I need to look into that. If I was to get a 2500k to stay within my price range I would have to skimp on the Mobo I think.

Edit: with the way things are looking I might just have to up my budget. At this rate I wont be able to get everything till Aug or at least sometime in the summer(Broke college kid)
Well with $700 the best that you can afford is the system I wrote for you on this page, which is quite decent and leaves room for future improvement... But if you up your budget to $750 you can get an i5 2500k.
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are the bulldozer chips really upwards of 50% more powerful than the current i7 chips?I read that somewhere...but if thats the case it will prob be out of my budget anyway =/ Once again I appreciate everyones help and suggestions this is helping more than you know. Now time to reread all these posts(just got home from work)
No one knows. AMD said this, but this could easily be some marketing trick.

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I need to look into that. If I was to get a 2500k to stay within my price range I would have to skimp on the Mobo I think.
As I already said, you can fit a Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB + the Corsair Nova 32GB SSD into the budget. The total for the rig is $698. You will be able to go Sandy Bridge with no compromises if you up the budget to $750. I'll post the AMD build again since you weren't here:

Sony Optiarc DVD+RW Drive w/ LightScribe: $23

LIAN Li Lancool PC-K58W Case: $70

ASUS M4A79XTD EVO:$109

Sapphire Radeon HD 5850: $140

Antec TruePower New 650W: $80

Team Xtreem Dark 4GB DDR3 1600MHz: $48

AMD Phenom II X4 925: $115

Corsair Nova 32GB SSD: $65

Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB: $40

Subtotal: $689
Total: $698

Cooler won't fit into the budget, but the jump in system responsiveness from an SSD is gonna be great. If you don't care for the SSD, get a Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB for $55. Total with that and without SSD would be $648. Add in the for $27 and total is $675.
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