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ssd boot drive + spinpoint for storage = win

i have a 64gb c300 + 1tb f3 and it's awesome
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I went from that set up to my Vertex 2 and I wouldn't go back.

The start-up is so much faster and installing stuff is like a blink.
    
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He said access times, not throughput. But yes, it's actually > 100 times faster. The best access times you'll get on an HDD is if you short stroke a large raided set of drives to like 5% of their capacity, and then the best you'll ever get is about 8ms (so if you raided 2 F3 1TBs, you'd have 100gigs of usable space).

The average SSD has a real world seek time of between .1 and .2ms depending on various factors.

So in the best HDD scenario (in which you've sacrificed all size value) an SSD is about 40 to 80 times faster. If you don't short stroke then SSD will be > 100 times faster at seeking. Just one of the many many benefits of an SSD.

SSD + 1TB is semi-ideal as a set up. THere's little to no point to putting games on an SSD as the gains are minimal. A small OS + App drive is by far the best use, in terms of systsem response time, multi-tasking, rebooting (not sure why this is the only thing people mention), application pull up time, and so on. Whilst leaving games to boot off the larger slower (but still fast) HDD.
Although you're right that an SSD will flat out pwn mechanical drives in access times, mechanical drives can do better than 8ms. I get 7.1ms with a WD VelociRaptor 300GB.



I wonder what a pair of these would do short-stroked and in RAID0? I only wonder out of pure curiosity, I don't think that short stroking is the way to go in any circumstance. If you can sacrifice all that space short stroking you might as well have an SSD.
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He said access times, not throughput. But yes, it's actually > 100 times faster. The best access times you'll get on an HDD is if you short stroke a large raided set of drives to like 5% of their capacity, and then the best you'll ever get is about 8ms (so if you raided 2 F3 1TBs, you'd have 100gigs of usable space).

The average SSD has a real world seek time of between .1 and .2ms depending on various factors.

So in the best HDD scenario (in which you've sacrificed all size value) an SSD is about 40 to 80 times faster. If you don't short stroke then SSD will be > 100 times faster at seeking. Just one of the many many benefits of an SSD.

SSD + 1TB is semi-ideal as a set up. THere's little to no point to putting games on an SSD as the gains are minimal. A small OS + App drive is by far the best use, in terms of systsem response time, multi-tasking, rebooting (not sure why this is the only thing people mention), application pull up time, and so on. Whilst leaving games to boot off the larger slower (but still fast) HDD.
yes i know he was talking about access time thanks for the info
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Although you're right that an SSD will flat out pwn mechanical drives in access times, mechanical drives can do better than 8ms. I get 7.1ms with a WD VelociRaptor 300GB.



I wonder what a pair of these would do short-stroked and in RAID0? I only wonder out of pure curiosity, I don't think that short stroking is the way to go in any circumstance. If you can sacrifice all that space short stroking you might as well have an SSD.
i dont really understand short stroke. mind explaining to me?
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Ssd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i dont really understand short stroke. mind explaining to me?
I really don't know much about it myself, but I know it has something to do with forcing the drive to only use the first sectors. Basically you'll sacrifice a bunch of space on the platter to be able to access a smaller amount of data, quicker. The head has to move around less on the hdd.

Someone else that knows more about it might want to chime in.
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i dont really understand short stroke. mind explaining to me?

http://www.overclock.net/hard-drives...e-why-how.html



I dont really feel its necessary, but if you wanna go through the trouble of doing it, more power to ya.
post #29 of 38
SSD's only have so much life/read cycles.
Its an insane number but it amounts to several years if used properly.
The cells just last so long.

From what I have read, its good to keep 20-30% or so free for maximum performance/reliability.
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I dont really feel its necessary, but if you wanna go through the trouble of doing it, more power to ya.
no im just curious since im trying to know more about computer parts
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