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Aside from covenience, how much better performance do you get with a t-line vs reservoir.

With a small t-line, there is almost no standing water. So the pump is working much more efficiently.

But with a res, it sort of acts like another restrictive waterblock.

Just wondering if anybody's tried both in the same system and compared.
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Actually no. A res directly above the pump (assuming your res isn't just for decoration and
actually works properly) will not only make bleeding easier, it will increase pump efficiency.

They also have the benefit of allowing you to go longer without a refill.

The use of a T-Line is that it is far cheaper, takes less space, and is more flexible in terms of placement.
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Off Topic:
I was tempted to redo my loop using a T-Line/Res Hybrid, just lacking a few components to make it happen. The idea is to use a Swiftech Micro res and be located on one of the T-line between the cpu block and the pump. Which provides a good way to improve "flow rate" and have an added security of increased water supply from the res.
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I was tempted to redo my loop using a T-Line/Res Hybrid, just lacking a few components to make it happen. The idea is to use a Swiftech Micro res and be located on one of the T-line between the cpu block and the pump. Which provides a good way to improve "flow rate" and have an added security of increased water supply from the res.
I've got a reverse version of this going pretty much (res sitting directly on top of pump with a good 6 foot of fill tube coming out of it). Effectively the same thing though. It works great!
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I was tempted to redo my loop using a T-Line/Res Hybrid, just lacking a few components to make it happen. The idea is to use a Swiftech Micro res and be located on one of the T-line between the cpu block and the pump. Which provides a good way to improve "flow rate" and have an added security of increased water supply from the res.
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I've got a reverse version of this going pretty much (res sitting directly on top of pump with a good 6 foot of fill tube coming out of it). Effectively the same thing though. It works great!
it's not effectively the same thing though.

i know the pump is continually being fed with a res, but the water going into the res chills (pun) for a bit before moving to the pump, thereby slowing down flow rate.

with a t-line, the water is continually moving with no chilling breaks.

how much performance slowdown with a res is what i'm after.
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I was tempted to redo my loop using a T-Line/Res Hybrid, just lacking a few components to make it happen. The idea is to use a Swiftech Micro res and be located on one of the T-line between the cpu block and the pump. Which provides a good way to improve "flow rate" and have an added security of increased water supply from the res.
this is a good idea. best of both worlds. more messy with more tubing, but possibly better flow rates.
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In fact it IS effectively the same. Water doesn't know the difference between a box up on top of a tube or a box on the bottom of a tube. Its all about volume and relative heights. You could argue that the res on top would mean more volume higher, but when you have 6 feet of 1/2ID coming out of it, its a moot point.

As for the "restriction" of a res, a res is only as restrictive as it is made to be. Now the res YOU ARE LOOKING AT might be restrictive, but there is absolutely nothing restrictive about the concept of a res itself.
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A while ago I had an external resavior that held 2 gallons of coolant. I could actually shut off all my fans and run for hours with my temps remaining good...like a 10°C rise after several hours of gaming. The coolant would sit in the res long enough to cool the rest of the way. I should really go back to that. Of corse I still had fans on my case, but it was pretty silient. The only trouble is that it is a big project just to move your PC a few feet. So now days I try to keep everything in side the case
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this is a good idea. best of both worlds. more messy with more tubing, but possibly better flow rates.
Not really but requires some serious planning, took me awhile to get my loop right. And now im pretty happy with it, especially I can do a motherboard swap with out taking or draining my loop. But I did want to do what I was mentioning earlier, but simply had to run a compromise between smooth flow or easier to maintain format.

Edited by DarkstarX10a - 4/22/11 at 1:53pm
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Practically, no difference either works pretty much the same thermally. The extra volume of water will only make the system take slightly longer to reach equilibrium, but it's minor.

If you're talking restriction, you can see very minor benefits hydraulically from combined reservoir tops, but it's very minor and almost hard to measure from a pressure/flow variable standpoint. You can see some of this in my MCP35X comparison with this chart:


There is some minor benefits to low restriction combo reservoirs in terms of restriction, but it's very minor.


But...T-lines are also very low in restriction. I have used 3/4" brass Qpex T fittings in the past which leaves almost no restriction at all. It is more work to bleed and may take a few days to completely bleed out, but they work just fine and one less part to mount and take up space.

Downside is looks and slow bleeding.

There are however some negatives as well. You can typically decouple a separate pump better for the ultimate in noise reduction than you can pump/reservoir combos. Pump/res combos can also have vortexing problems unless you use top down inlet tubes or baffle systems to counter the vortexing.

Anyhow, T-lines are fine and in most cases compared to a separated reservoir...less restriction. The bigger difference is slightly more topping off because there isn't an ability to store much water in the upright tube.
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