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Originally Posted by phantasmor;13233667 
just to know, what is this binning thing msi does?

Binning literally, meaning the company tests the chips and they throw the best ones in a bin for use in their higher end cards. The ones that aren't tested or don't give as good results go into the reference cards. I believe MSI bins and I know for sure EVGA does. I'm not 100% sure about any other company, but the results speak for itself. it isn't some kind of secret that a lot of the highest achieved overclocks are from EVGA cards.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning
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Originally Posted by phantasmor;13233667 
2 card or single card

As far as the size of the card, pretty much all graphics cards now use a dual slot solution, with the exception of the Asus DCII cooler, which uses a 3 slot design.
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Originally Posted by phantasmor;13233667 
aren't the 570s horrible overclockers?

Absolutely not. In fact, they're great overclockers. The stigma that they're bad may come from the fact that the reference boards were not designed efficiently. The reference boards have been known to die during higher overclocks.
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Originally Posted by amstech;13233639 
A good option but not as good.

Depends on what you're looking for. While the TF3 can probably guarantee a better overclock, the Asus DCII is still the more cost effective card (The TF3 about 23 dollars more after factoring shipping.), and I would argue the cooler probably performs better as well, but the fact that it takes up another slot is also an argument against it.
Edited by gl0ry - 4/22/11 at 4:01pm
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evga usually gets the best overclocks? i am still not sure about their rma department, oh, well, i have a question, if a card stays cooler, how can it be a worse overclocker than the other? is it about the stability of the overclock? because if it is, i might go msi or evga for my next card........
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The one thing with binning is that it does NOT assure you a better chip. It will on average, but the chip you get is completely random. There are some 570s that need 1.115 or higher for 900 core, I managed it on 1.063 easily. Also, the average difference in overclocks is less than 50Mhz, which won't even get you 2 FPS 99% of the time.

Also, EVGA's warranties are great, but avoid EVGA when it comes to 570s, since they don't have a non-reference PCB available.
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so, that means asus ftw!

i think that would fit in a ASUS P8P67......
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Originally Posted by phantasmor;13234329 
evga usually gets the best overclocks?

No, not necessarily. The point I was trying to make is that companies that bin their GPUs usually have a higher percentage of great overclocks. I remember seeing a 570 overclock thread and I think 7 or 8 out of the top 10 were EVGA's.
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if a card stays cooler, how can it be a worse overclocker than the other? is it about the stability of the overclock? because if it is, i might go msi or evga for my next card........

It is usually based on how much voltage is required to keep the GPU stable. If your gpu has a high VID (1v+) at stock speeds, then it is likely it will require more volts clock for clock than say one with a low VID (0.955).
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when would needing more volts for an overclock be an issue?
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when would needing more volts for an overclock be an issue?

Well, first and foremost, the more volts you add, the higher chance you have of destroying your equipment.

If your volts are too high it can also cause GPU degrading as well (meaning after a while it may take more volts to become stable). Not only that, the higher your volts, the higher your temperatures.

And lastly, you are limited by the bios of 1.1v. If you flash your bios you can unlock it to go to 1.2v.

For every GPU/CPU there's some kind of point where you have diminishing returns. For me on my DCII, anything past 850 required too much volts for stability which isn't worth it. The temperatures got too high.

Don't get me wrong though, I can run my card at 925mhz if I wanted to at 1.088v, but it is NOT OCCT stable. I care about stability.
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There's an upper limit on what you can reasonably do. The bios only lets you go to 1.1v, I think the TFIII bios lets you go to ~1.113 iirc, but both cards can be bios-modded to go higher. I don't think anyone has taken a 570 past 1.2v without sub-zero cooling though.

The real question is where your stock vid comes out. I got lucky with a very low .963, but some people are getting 1.008 or higher, and it just limits what they can do with the card.
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when would needing more volts for an overclock be an issue?

Temperature and burning out VRMs that aren't robust enough.
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Well, first and foremost, the more volts you add, the higher chance you have of destroying your equipment.

If your volts are too high it can also cause GPU degrading as well (meaning after a while it may take more volts to become stable). Not only that, the higher your volts, the higher your temperatures.

And lastly, you are limited by the bios of 1.1v. If you flash your bios you can unlock it to go to 1.2v.

For every GPU/CPU there's some kind of point where you have diminishing returns. For me on my DCII, anything past 850 required too much volts for stability which isn't worth it. The temperatures got too high.

Don't get me wrong though, I can run my card at 925mhz if I wanted to at 1.088v, but it is NOT OCCT stable. I care about stability.

well.... from that i learn 2 things:

1. the 570 has a 100mhz lower core clock than the 560, but i assume that the same is true for the 580, more than likely it is even lower

2. stability is not everything, but i kind of figured that, i just wanted people to confirm it

now new question, i knew overclocking was dangerous before, but now i am thinking that it may be really, really worth it if you don't push it too far, and that you need a really good card, which is random(again all of this i considered before but now seems a lot clearer)
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