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As far as current plans for the water cooling loop, the parts will be a 480 rad plus a 120. Yes I know I can fit a 240 on the bottom (or top) but I will not be doing so, for two reasons. I am not putting any radiators on the inside of the computer were the components will be, and I am not going to sacrifice space on the bottom of the case for 120mm more of radiator space.
Why a 120 'also'? I used a 120 in between my CPU and GPU and it made NO difference over when i used just the 240.
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where is the 120 going?
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the 120 is going before the 480...

Furball... sure it wont notice a difference when you have one between the two things, but when you have both radiators before the loop, its as if your having 5 fan radiator to cool stuff off...
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Actually no it wont. With that setup youll heat soak (or over power) the 120 which will pretty much render it useless, and could possibly heat the water for the 480 to cope with. If you want 5x120 either wait till they make one, or gang two 360's together as i wouldnt recommend doing a 240+360 for the same reason.
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Actually no it wont. With that setup youll heat soak (or over power) the 120 which will pretty much render it useless, and could possibly heat the water for the 480 to cope with. If you want 5x120 either wait till they make one, or gang two 360's together as i wouldnt recommend doing a 240+360 for the same reason.
Cool thanks. Anyway 120 is still going into the system.
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adding the 120 will only help, it cannot hurt.


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Actually no it wont. With that setup youll heat soak (or over power) the 120 which will pretty much render it useless, and could possibly heat the water for the 480 to cope with. If you want 5x120 either wait till they make one, or gang two 360's together as i wouldnt recommend doing a 240+360 for the same reason.
ever taken a thermodynamics course?

any place you can get heat out of the loop the better. there is no suck thing as "heat soaking" that will make the rad not dissipate heat. in fact, the greater the temp difference in the water in the rad and the air flowing over it the more heat the rad will dump out of the loop into the air.
Edited by kevingreenbmx - 5/20/11 at 4:08pm
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Adding to kevins post the 120 will be hit with the hottest water first. So even if you try saying heat soak will be present the 480 will be cooling down the water that pass through the 120 already.
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adding the 120 will only help, it cannot hurt.

ever taken a thermodynamics course?

any place you can get heat out of the loop the better. there is no suck thing as "heat soaking" that will make the rad not dissipate heat. in fact, the greater the temp difference in the water in the rad and the air flowing over it the more heat the rad will dump out of the loop into the air.
Heat soak is when the radiator doesn't cool effectively because it has picked up and retained a lot of heat without being able to dissipate it.

Heres a link

http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f25/...at-soak-50397/

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Adding to kevins post the 120 will be hit with the hottest water first. So even if you try saying heat soak will be present the 480 will be cooling down the water that pass through the 120 already.
:::sigh::: Ill just say this, it WONT help. Whether it hurts or not is debatable i guess.

However... bottom line, if the 480 is not enough, the 120 will not make a bit of difference. Even coupled with a 240 rad the 120 i used in between the CPU and GPU actually warmed the GPU a degree or two. The whole loop runs cooler with just the 240.

That said, find me a test that proves otherwise and ill digress.
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post #169 of 442
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I'm tired of this. Furball the heat dissipated by a computer radiator is negliable. The air going in versus the air out doesn't change drastically like a car does. I heard the same crap when people were talking about my cobalt tune and the factory intercooler. "oh your going to het heatsoak." how do I get heatsoak if the intercooler is getting constant air while I'm driving?

Anyway the temperature of the air going through the radiators is all dependent on what your room temperature is. for example here in my room at night I can get the air to be as cold as 15 c. Do you really think that once it passes through one radiator the air coming is going to be over 30c. Really???

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=226445

Read some stuff. Look at info for the rx480 and you will see the change in temperature can be neglected because it's about 2-3 degrees.


Now can you please stop the whole heatsoak crap. I can't take people when they get defensive trying to prove a point but just use google to find a general answer. Sure maybe heatsoak exist but in thermodynamic dynamics there isn't such thing. It's a term created by people.

Besides 600mm of cooling space is always greater than 480mm. Dude it's common sense.

And honestly if you don't like my answer just stop looking at my build.
Edited by fshizl - 5/20/11 at 7:18pm
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exactly fshizl, +rep

in addition, yes, you can reach a point where a SINGLE radiator can not handle a certain heat load, however, when you have one radiator that can handle the load and then ADD another radiator there is no possible way the two together cannot handle the load, in fact, the only possible outcome is that there will be more heat taken out of the system, ie, lower temps.

In The link posted above, the term heatsoaked would refer to if the ENTIRE cooling system (Aka, your loop) took in enough heat without disipating it that the loop reached the temperature of the processor (or a temperature close enough to it) and could no longer draw heat off of it to cool it. This concept is why the "put your rad in a bucket of water" or the "put your pc in a refridgerator" things never work. In the first, the bucket of water absorbs the heat until the water reaches a temperature that it no longer can actually cool the processor and the temps skyrocket. In the second the thermal output of the pc is higher than what the refridgerator can activly remove, so the system becomes "heatsoaked".

The term cannot be used to describe what happens to a single component of a system or loop. So you cannot say the 120mm rad will be ome heatsoaked unless you are saying the 480mm rad will as well. Because for one to be the other must also be.
Edited by kevingreenbmx - 5/20/11 at 7:56pm
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