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16 my friend 16. I even posted a link to MSIs own page to the card on this thread

That's 4 phases short. That's almost how much some gpus have altogether!
I was just going off what I thought I remembered off the top of my head...guess I remembered wrong.
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Just go 2560x1600 reso and 580 sli. It appears to us that money is not the issue
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if you're using a monitor with a 60hz refresh rate you are really wasting every frame over 60fps unless you are looking for minimum input lag. a 120Hz HDTV doesn't count because it interpolates to create a 120hz output from a 60hz input.

barring you having a 120hz monitor, you could get away with 2 570s or maybe even 2 470s. both give you 1.28GB of memory instead of 1GB, which is critical when using lots of AA and AF on 1080p.

all of your options are going to be hot, loud, and consume a lot of power. the 570s consume less power and thus are not as hot, so that's the direction i would go.
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with a 120hz monitor, i'd say 2x590 are going to be your best option. there is a lot of computational power required to max out games at 1080p and maintain 80-120fps. if cost isn't an issue, and you are willing to deal with the inevitable noise and heat that computing 120fps at maxed 1080p is going to bring, go with the most powerful setup. 2x580s won't keep you above 80fps at 1080p maxed in every game for much longer, if they even can now.
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if you're using a monitor with a 60hz refresh rate you are really wasting every frame over 60fps unless you are looking for minimum input lag. a 120Hz HDTV doesn't count because it interpolates to create a 120hz output from a 60hz input.

barring you having a 120hz monitor, you could get away with 2 570s or maybe even 2 470s. both give you 1.28GB of memory instead of 1GB, which is critical when using lots of AA and AF on 1080p.

all of your options are going to be hot, loud, and consume a lot of power. the 570s consume less power and thus are not as hot, so that's the direction i would go.
Everyone ignore this post. This user seems to have ignored every single post and the Original Post where op stated many times that he has a true 120hz monitor.
     
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Everyone ignore this post. This user seems to have ignored every single post and the Original Post where op stated many times that he has a true 120hz monitor.
where in the OP did he state that? that's right, he didn't. he said he wanted 120fps without specifying that his monitor could handle every frame. he didn't specify it until someone posted that anything over 60fps is useless.

regardless, i followed my post up with another to cover the scenario in which his monitor is 120hz. maybe you should take your own advice instead of attempting to police the forum?
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where in the OP did he state that? that's right, he didn't. he said he wanted 120fps without specifying that his monitor could handle every frame. he didn't specify it until someone posted that anything over 60fps is useless.

regardless, i followed my post up with another to cover the scenario in which his monitor is 120hz. maybe you should take your own advice instead of attempting to police the forum?
I will put in the first post that I am running a true 120Hz monitor.

But this shouldn't even need to be addressed. If there's a user striving for 120fps, debating between two high end video cards, and has such specific concerns, it should be assumed that said user is aware that he needs a beefy power supply, that he is aware a 590 consists of 2 GPU's each, and that he most certainly knows that 120fps won't show any benefits unless running a 120fps capable monitor.

I really do appreciate the input, people only try to help, but it's like someone asking, for instance, how a particular ice cream flavor tastes, and someone else trying to inform that ice cream melts under heat.

EDIT: I'll actually just put up my computer build in the first post
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Old games will not benefit at all from quad.
That I can confirm.

For single monitor, you can run them with a single 580 without any problems and a much higher FPS than 120.

And newer games proof, well, you can never know.
If you plan on several years forward, maybe, a quad will be ok. And even that, I wouldn't count on it.
I mean, the 295 came out just a couple of years ago, and its already fully out-dated.
I wasn't speaking of benefit, more-so compatibility. If Quad-SLI would for example, pose a problem running older games such as the older Elder Scrolls series, Black & White, Knights of the Old Republic, etc.. Games not optimized for Quad-GPU usage.

I have read of some titles having issues with newer hardware, that is why I asked.

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So I guess it's settled?

MSI LIGHTNING 580 with after market cooling.
Far from settled, there's a lot to consider. So far I am leaning towards stock 590's x 2

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I want to see it after all this collaboration lol!
I will post pictures of the setup when done, but I do intend aesthetic modding after the fact C:

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Defoler is technically correct, however, he did forget that you can run 3-Way SLI and dedicated a 4th GPU to GTX 580 level Physx IF you are having scaling issues.

I want to mention that while Levesque is correct the 6990 + 6970 setup is definitely a strong setup, it does beat the GTX 580 SLI simply because its 3 GPUs vs. 2 GPUs in your case. Levesque probably didn't see the higher budget, or he would have recommended 6990x2 which is even faster.

I personally just came from GTX 580 SLI, capable of 965 MHz clocked on both, its definitely a game winner for most people. IT WILL NOT GET YOU 120 FPS+ IN ALL GAMES. PERIOD.

I have the ACER GD235Hz (1920x1080@120Hz) monitor. Playing above 120 fps on a single monitor is soooooooooooo nice its all I care for. I am not used to my multi-monitor setup. I added 2 nice and cheap 1080 LED LCDs to my ACER as more of a gimmick and production value than my gaming needs. I am not used to it, and I am not a huge fan of bezel splitting. SO I primarily play on my pride and joy: the Acer.

The GTX 590 is not an easy overclocker on water. Its even harder on AIR, that being said, its quiet, its fast, and works well right out the box.

When comparing it to the GTX 580 SLI setup, rather than thinking of it terms of QUAD SLI vs. SLI or TRI-SLI, I look at it as a slower Quad Core vs. a faster Dual Core/Tri-Core. Something like a 2.6 GHz Core2Quad vs. a 3.2 GHz Core2Duo.

Hitting 30% OC was a huge gain in performance, I hit 822 MHz stable in Heaven, and it performed admirably. Thanks to Alatar you have already seen it. That was from the official benchmark thread for Heaven on OCN. I am 3rd place. Behind the likes of only Faster and CallSignVega who are using true overclocked GTX 580 quad SLI. I don't even hope to achieve that.

Downside, numerous titles and applications currently have a invisible performance throttling due to what we believe is either power draw or overclock protection. IF YOU are not overclocking, this is truely the only probably permanent downside to these cards that you won't have to deal with.

The scaling needs work, but this is true of every dual-GPU card ever released. AMD or nVidia, we all have issues from time to time. Sometimes QUAD-SLI scaling isn't there, but it does require a hefty power supply, a solid motherboard, and a CPU than can unleash them. Any one weakness in the chain, and the entire system is held back gaming wise. The microstutter is marginal at best and various from none at all to obviously needs driver tweaking. Although 120Hz monitors (notorious for the fluid motion) is obviously more sensitive to microstutter, I find it very manageable on 270.61 drivers so far. I am only running 267.85 to overclock.

Getting a GTX 590 either single or double is really joining a small community around the world. And will be a unique experience that very few people will be apart of. That specifically is very enticing to me. Some people can't afford it, some people don't want it, and some people think its crap for X Y Z reason. Which is perfectly okay to me. I don't like doing what every body else does, but I did my research and I took a little bit of gamble due to the VRM scare, but it paid off. 100% satisfied so far, just wish I could turn off the performance throttling in various 3D Mark benchmarks.

I personally would go with the GTX 590 SLI, however, you will be pleasantly satisfied with GTX 580 SLI, however its not future proof for a 120 HZ monitor.
I greatly appreciate this information, I will read over & dissect every bit of it
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Heh, I tried to give a legitimate non-fanboyish response.

Despite many of the most senior OCN members disliking the GTX 590, I still went ahead with the purchase. Well in my case, the purchase went through before all this "GTX 590 vrm bomb stuff." I can honestly say, that was my biggest turn off, was the senior members disprovals.

So many people were/are against these cards due to their design.

I understand their concerns, but I think a lot of the damaged cards were due to careless mistakes and disregard for good OCing habbits on the GPUs. A bit of me wanted to test that theory when I went on my overclocking rampage/marathon the other day. I am just one case of it working out well, but it was enough to convince me that more than most of them may have jumped the gun condeming the cards.

Further more, the current driver voltage lock down (versions 270.51+) exacerbated things. Nothing makes a company look guilty than silently "fixing" something that "isn't broken." I personally lean more towards the... "lets prevent any more bad PR on these cards" as opposed "holy crap we totally should have put more/better VRMs on those GPU phases!" I don't think they would truly engineer a card that was designed to fail on advertised speeds or even as a mild as a 10% overclock. If they did, then it was entirely a conscious decision to make a bad product and charge a lot of money for it... which doesn't make sense because of the serious amount of damage from all the negative PR a company would get for that. I know I would switch back to ATI if nVidia blatantly burned me like that, even though I said that would never happen. Not to mention all the money and returns they would get. Afterall this isn't 1950 where consumers don't complain/demand refunds.

Even if you don't go with the GTX 590, I must ask you not to buy a new pair of GTX 580s, and consider revision 2. Revision 2 consist of double VRAM, which I know you are on a single monitor, and I feel its much more future proof to go with 2x of the 3GB vs. 2x of the 1.5GB models, due to future games, future multiple-montior, or future high res (2560x1600) monitor. 3GB is simply put, more future ready than 1.5GB. EVGAs release of the new card is any day/week now. Palit brand is already out. I am assumming you are States side.

Also note, I am experiencing some teething issues. Monitor will go out, have to reset SLI or Surround. Occasional game will crash. From everything I have ever read, this is atypical for new Dual-GPU cards. I have never owned dual-GPU cards prior to this generation. This another reason I wanted to get into it. Expand my knowledge and troubleshooting abilities. That doesn't appeal to some people. Some people want to just open the packaging, install it, and just use it. I like to mess around/tinker with what I got. If thats not really for you, than perhaps picking an easier more user friendly path such as the GTX 580 maybe better for you. Drivers are on 6 months+ of maturity. Performance just got a huge performance kick, getting them 5th gear, and hopefully another few months will give GTX 580 owner's their 6th gear of speed.
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Heh, I tried to give a legitimate non-fanboyish response.

Despite many of the most senior OCN members disliking the GTX 590, I still went ahead with the purchase. Well in my case, the purchase went through before all this "GTX 590 vrm bomb stuff." I can honestly say, that was my biggest turn off, was the senior members disprovals.

So many people were/are against these cards due to their design.

I understand their concerns, but I think a lot of the damaged cards were due to careless mistakes and disregard for good OCing habbits on the GPUs. A bit of me wanted to test that theory when I went on my overclocking rampage/marathon the other day. I am just one case of it working out well, but it was enough to convince me that more than most of them may have jumped the gun condeming the cards.

Further more, the current driver voltage lock down (versions 270.51+) exacerbated things. Nothing makes a company look guilty than silently "fixing" something that "isn't broken." I personally lean more towards the... "lets prevent any more bad PR on these cards" as opposed "holy crap we totally should have put more/better VRMs on those GPU phases!" I don't think they would truly engineer a card that was designed to fail on advertised speeds or even as a mild as a 10% overclock. If they did, then it was entirely a conscious decision to make a bad product and charge a lot of money for it... which doesn't make sense because of the serious amount of damage from all the negative PR a company would get for that. I know I would switch back to ATI if nVidia blatantly burned me like that, even though I said that would never happen. Not to mention all the money and returns they would get. Afterall this isn't 1950 where consumers don't complain/demand refunds.

Even if you don't go with the GTX 590, I must ask you not to buy a new pair of GTX 580s, and not consider revision 2. Revision 2 consist of double VRAM, which I know you are on a single monitor, I feel its much more future proof to go with 2x of the 3GB vs. 2x of the 1.5GB models, due to future games, future multiple-montior, or future high res (2560x1600) monitor. 3GB is simply put, more future ready than 1.5GB. EVGAs release of the new card is any day/week now. Palit brand is already out. I am assumming you are States side.
Meh.. Actually this guy and altair are convincing me. Even if you get 1.1ghz on the Lightning, the 590s with refined drivers may JUST be a better choice.

Good job convincing me Cain, I've provided only benches showing how good a 580 sli so you're a good negotiator
     
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