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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13250568 
Heh, I tried to give a legitimate non-fanboyish response.

Despite many of the most senior OCN members disliking the GTX 590, I still went ahead with the purchase. Well in my case, the purchase went through before all this "GTX 590 vrm bomb stuff." I can honestly say, that was my biggest turn off, was the senior members disprovals.

So many people were/are against these cards due to their design.

I understand their concerns, but I think a lot of the damaged cards were due to careless mistakes and disregard for good OCing habbits on the GPUs. A bit of me wanted to test that theory when I went on my overclocking rampage/marathon the other day. I am just one case of it working out well, but it was enough to convince me that more than most of them may have jumped the gun condeming the cards.

Further more, the current driver voltage lock down (versions 270.51+) exacerbated things. Nothing makes a company look guilty than silently "fixing" something that "isn't broken." I personally lean more towards the... "lets prevent any more bad PR on these cards" as opposed "holy crap we totally should have put more/better VRMs on those GPU phases!" I don't think they would truly engineer a card that was designed to fail on advertised speeds or even as a mild as a 10% overclock. If they did, then it was entirely a conscious decision to make a bad product and charge a lot of money for it... which doesn't make sense because of the serious amount of damage from all the negative PR a company would get for that. I know I would switch back to ATI if nVidia blatantly burned me like that, even though I said that would never happen. Not to mention all the money and returns they would get. Afterall this isn't 1950 where consumers don't complain/demand refunds.

Even if you don't go with the GTX 590, I must ask you not to buy a new pair of GTX 580s, and not consider revision 2. Revision 2 consist of double VRAM, which I know you are on a single monitor, I feel its much more future proof to go with 2x of the 3GB vs. 2x of the 1.5GB models, due to future games, future multiple-montior, or future high res (2560x1600) monitor. 3GB is simply put, more future ready than 1.5GB. EVGAs release of the new card is any day/week now. Palit brand is already out. I am assumming you are States side.

To be honest the VRM issue doesn't phase me, I am confident that the reason they failed the way they did was because they were being pushed too hard. I will be running @ stock, and possibly a very minor OC.

Even if issues do rise, I have the security of EVGA's lifetime warranty.
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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13248590 
Defoler is technically correct, however, he did forget that you can run 3-Way SLI and dedicated a 4th GPU to GTX 580 level Physx IF you are having scaling issues.

Are you running it like that?
Have you tried it?
I actually want to see proof of this working.
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Originally Posted by Defoler;13251204 
Are you running it like that?
Have you tried it?
I actually want to see proof of this working.

I have temporarily, by accident, and thought what a useless feature.... then I thought about quad-sli not working well and tri-sli would be better than running a single GTX 590.

Its actually been problematic for people and shown up on EVGAs forums for troubleshooting. They were unable to have quad-sli and stuck in tri-sli.

I will show a picture when I get home. And respond to Scy.

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I have temporarily, by accident, and thought what a useless feature.... then I thought about quad-sli not working well and tri-sli would be better than running a single GTX 590.

Its actually been problematic for people and shown up on EVGAs forums for troubleshooting. They were unable to have quad-sli and stuck in tri-sli.

I will show a picture when I get home. And respond to Scy.

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The only option I see it as being "stuck", is that if someone forgot to un-check the "dedicated" for the physx on one of the GPUs.

But its still odd that it lets you do tri-sli.
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I was informed of this recently today, wanted to get this boards' thoughts:

"Unlike all of todays other motherboards/CPU's, it (the 2600k) has the PCIE lanes directly built onto the CPU and there are only 16 lanes of bandwith.

This creates a bottleneck or choke point for the CPU's control of the videocards. Dual 590's would max out that bandwith with no overhead left. Not to mention that the 2600k itself would be hard pressed to drive both 590's (CPU bottleneck) "


While I don't agree on the CPU being a bottleneck, seeing as how I plan to run it at or near 5Ghz, how important is the fact that a 590 Quad-SLI would be running at 8x/8x?

Sure we've seen articles like these..
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci-express-scaling-p67-chipset-gaming-performance,2887.html
..that show no performance difference, but we're talking about SLI-ing 2 cards, that contain 2 GPU's each? (while such articles feature a non-sli single gpu)
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I tried to find something on this, but I was shut down pretty hard.
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The other major (and welcome) change is the move to PCIe 2.0 lanes running at 5GT/s. Currently, Intel chipsets support PCIe 2.0 but they only run at 2.5GT/s, which limits them to a maximum of 250MB/s per direction per lane. This is a problem with high bandwidth USB 3.0 and 6Gbps SATA interfaces connected over PCIe x1 slots. With the move to 5GT/s, Intel is at feature parity with AMD’s chipsets and more importantly the bandwidth limits are a lot higher. A single PCIe x1 slot on a P67 motherboard can support up to 500MB/s of bandwidth in each direction (1GB/s bidirectional bandwidth).

That is the best I could do, I don't know if it applies to x16/x8 PCIe lanes however.
    
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Originally Posted by renaldy;13239205 
IF i would you i go with two-GTX 580 SLI
THIS IS MY SCORE IN "unigine heaven"
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Hey renaldy I benched my cards with heaven again with as close to your settings as i could (only differance being 1080 instead of 1200 res) and admit i got less results
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So i humbly oppologise to you biggrin.gif

Still a bloody good score though lol band.gif
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This creates a bottleneck or choke point for the CPU's control of the videocards. Dual 590's would max out that bandwith with no overhead left. Not to mention that the 2600k itself would be hard pressed to drive both 590's (CPU bottleneck) "

This isn't much of an issue.
A 4.5+ghz CPU (normal and decent OC for SB) will be able to handle the GPU load.
But, if he isn't going to OC the CPU, he will get the same results as low as just 2 GPUs sometimes.
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Originally Posted by Baasha;13239132 
First of all, the human eye can see only up to 60FPS. So wanting a "minimum of 120FPS" is just absolutely pointless.

Regardless of that, the 590 Quad-SLI will demolish the GTX-580 SLI. In fact, the GTX-590 Quad-SLI apparently outperforms GTX-580 Tri-SLI. 4 GTX-580s will beat the GTX-590 Quad-SLI however.

If you're getting "two" cards, go with the EVGA GTX-590 Quad-SLI.

You are such an idiot all around. First off the Human eye can see WAY above 60FPS. For instance, in pilot school they put a picture up in a for 1/200th of a second, and you have to notice it.
    
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I have temporarily, by accident, and thought what a useless feature.... then I thought about quad-sli not working well and tri-sli would be better than running a single GTX 590.

Its actually been problematic for people and shown up on EVGAs forums for troubleshooting. They were unable to have quad-sli and stuck in tri-sli.

I will show a picture when I get home. And respond to Scy.

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Originally Posted by Defoler;13256133 
The only option I see it as being "stuck", is that if someone forgot to un-check the "dedicated" for the physx on one of the GPUs.

But its still odd that it lets you do tri-sli.

Well.... I might have been wrong biggrin.gif

I know it can be done, but I for the life of me can't replicate it WITHOUT moving around monitor cables. Putting all the cables on one card seems to do the trick (as that was what triggered it before I guess for me). Completely a pain in the neck to do and essentially not worth it.

Side note: When in QUAD-SLI Surround, you are not allowed to dedicate a GPU to Physx. QuadSLI for performance can. Not sure if thats a bug... but I think it is.

I often wonder why drivers don't get a great deal of QA... if its manpower, hell I will do it, unemployed QA right here.
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