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BREAKING NEWS!!!

Cell phone companies can triangulate your location using cell tower information within seconds!!!

way to completely ignore the ot. it's not that they can, its that they do & they keep logs.

it used to be, it was only done by law enforcement with a warrant. now it's common practice for data mining.

doesn't it bother you in the least that its getting to the point that not only does google know everything you search for, scan your email, turn your phone calls to text making them loggable/searchable, want to become an isp so they know where you go not just what you search for, but also want to know where you physically go as well?

Seriously, they're one step away from just putting chips in your brain to monitor all your thoughts.
    
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way to completely ignore the ot. it's not that they can, its that they do & they keep logs.

it used to be, it was only done by law enforcement with a warrant. now it's common practice for data mining.

doesn't it bother you in the least that its getting to the point that not only does google know everything you search for, scan your email, turn your phone calls to text making them loggable/searchable, want to become an isp so they know where you go not just what you search for, but also want to know where you physically go as well?

Seriously, they're one step away from just putting chips in your brain to monitor all your thoughts.
If you're a paranoid freak then sure, be concerned.
Is Google likely to be another Microsoft and abuse its power of information? Highly unlikely. They're not trying to monopolize the market. They want to expand their services to offer more tools for consumers to make our lives easier.

If they don't do it, someone else will. I'd rather have them do it than Bell or Micro$oft.
post #33 of 42
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If you're a paranoid freak then sure, be concerned.
Is Google likely to be another Microsoft and abuse its power of information? Highly unlikely. They're not trying to monopolize the market. They want to expand their services to offer more tools for consumers to make our lives easier.

If they don't do it, someone else will. I'd rather have them do it than Bell or Micro$oft.
It's not paranoia if it's true.

& why people somehow think MS is evil and google is a saint i have no idea.

MS actually keeps search logs for less time than google does (6 months vs 9 months); and MS doesn't track you across the web even when you don't use their search engine. Ever notice how many sites use googleapi, doubleclick, etc.. Even if you block it w/ noscript there are invisible gifs that can be used to track you via IP. Even if you change your IP, your computer has a unique signature which can be used, steve gibson wrote a good article on that.
    
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It's not paranoia if it's true.

& why people somehow think MS is evil and google is a saint i have no idea.

MS actually keeps search logs for less time than google does (6 months vs 9 months); and MS doesn't track you across the web even when you don't use their search engine. Ever notice how many sites use googleapi, doubleclick, etc.. Even if you block it w/ noscript there are invisible gifs that can be used to track you via IP. Even if you change your IP, your computer has a unique signature which can be used, steve gibson wrote a good article on that.
Those are called tracking pixels and they are inserted into emails, pages etc... they are a way of tracking stats, movement through pages etc...

We use them at work to track people.
post #35 of 42
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Originally Posted by pale_neon View Post
It's not paranoia if it's true.

& why people somehow think MS is evil and google is a saint i have no idea.

MS actually keeps search logs for less time than google does (6 months vs 9 months); and MS doesn't track you across the web even when you don't use their search engine. Ever notice how many sites use googleapi, doubleclick, etc.. Even if you block it w/ noscript there are invisible gifs that can be used to track you via IP. Even if you change your IP, your computer has a unique signature which can be used, steve gibson wrote a good article on that.
Tracking on the web isn't anything new. Welcome to 1995. That's why you use extensions like adblock plus, noscript, betterprivacy, beef taco, stop autoplay, refcontrol, befree/user agent switcher and redirect remover etc..

Your computer's "signature" is limited with these measures. Check how much info they can gather at http://browserspy.dk and https://panopticlick.eff.org

Masking yourself to look like a generic browser while only allowing certain sites to use flash(which can garner a wealth of info about your system) goes a long ways.


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Those are called tracking pixels and they are inserted into emails, pages etc... they are a way of tracking stats, movement through pages etc...

We use them at work to track people.
That's why you don't allow any ports outside of the retrieving/sending needed in your mail client.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 4/24/11 at 4:09am
post #36 of 42
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Tracking on the web isn't anything new. Welcome to 1995. That's why you use extensions like adblock plus, noscript, betterprivacy, beef taco, stop autoplay, refcontrol, befree/user agent switcher and redirect remover etc..

Your computer's "signature" is limited with these measures. Check how much info they can gather at http://browserspy.dk and https://panopticlick.eff.org

Masking yourself to look like a generic browser while only allowing certain sites to use flash(which can garner a wealth of info about your system) goes a long ways.


That's why you don't allow any ports outside of the retrieving/sending needed in your mail client.
in 1995 they didnt not have even REMOTELY close to the level of tracking that goes on now. Google is literally everywhere. I would say 90% of the sites i go to use googleapi, googleads, doubleclick, google search, etc.. Many of which aren't even functional unless you enable javascript for them.

And as for running every firefox add-on known to man to try to keep some privacy; that's not the point. The majority of people dont do that & they get tracked.

You shouldn't have to do that period, the fact that you do proves my point; google isn't some saintly crusader for personal freedom & privacy. They're in the data collection business. They make their money from knowing EVERYTHING about you possible. From ads. & who knows how long they really keep that data and if they figure out who you really are from data mining how long they keep your file on file & what happens to that data in the future. maybe it goes up for sale, maybe it gets mirrored in some gov database, maybe it gets leaked, maybe they make it all freely available to anybody who asks for it.
    
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Wow, for the time EVER I am agreeing with you
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. So they can track our phones, nothing new there. And frankly, who gives a dam. It really doesn't bother me at all. but that's just me of course.
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Noscript - blacklist google.com/googleanalytics.com/googleapis
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in 1995 they didnt not have even REMOTELY close to the level of tracking that goes on now. Google is literally everywhere. I would say 90% of the sites i go to use googleapi, googleads, doubleclick, google search, etc.. Many of which aren't even functional unless you enable javascript for them.

And as for running every firefox add-on known to man to try to keep some privacy; that's not the point. The majority of people dont do that & they get tracked.

You shouldn't have to do that period, the fact that you do proves my point; google isn't some saintly crusader for personal freedom & privacy. They're in the data collection business. They make their money from knowing EVERYTHING about you possible. From ads. & who knows how long they really keep that data and if they figure out who you really are from data mining how long they keep your file on file & what happens to that data in the future. maybe it goes up for sale, maybe it gets mirrored in some gov database, maybe it gets leaked, maybe they make it all freely available to anybody who asks for it.
That's like whining about cell phone companies doing credit checks and having your social security number. Learn how to deal with it or be left behind. A few extensions isn't so hard install. Learning how to browse the web today seems like a rather mundane skill to learn. Sorry you can't keep up with the times.
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That's like whining about cell phone companies doing credit checks and having your social security number. Learn how to deal with it or be left behind. A few extensions isn't so hard install. Learning how to browse the web today seems like a rather mundane skill to learn. Sorry you can't keep up with the times.
I do whine about that. It really has come to the point where the US is trying to keep businesses here by giving them more "rights" than citizens. I mean why, really why, do they need that information?


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You're getting it wrong by thinking there is a difference anymore.
Thank you. I was thinking I was alone on knowing the truth.


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So we get an Apple thread with numerous pages of retarded "**** APPLE" but it's okay when your favorite most uberist fantastic company does it.
LOL. Yes we all love Google so much more. I think it's more of the fact that they pretend to give us the choice of "opting-out" of their tracking. Whereas, Apple just assumes you already have a golden idol of Jobs. It's not so much Apple that I despise as much as the people who support it so blindly.
     
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