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wow didn't invent MMO's by the by. but it's obvious you didn't know that because someone who was privy to this information wouldn't use the term wow clone. this has been painstakingly pointed out by people who already know this.

you are aware as well that many games, not just mmo's have the same missions that you claim are wow created.
Holy hell, when did I ever claim WoW invented MMOs? I even listed examples of how wow wasn't original or the first of it's kind. It's very apparent trolls cannot read very well, or have a long enough attention span to look at more than a paragraph of text that disagrees with their opinion before mashing the reply button.

My beef with the game is that it is TOO MUCH like WoW. And WoW is TOO MUCH like EQ and everything else that came before it. There is no originality. No innovation. It's the same formula pooped out by developers to the masses that have no discerning taste.

The reason I so heavily compared it to WoW, is because I played WoW for so long, and know an obvious look-alike when I see one. Yes most MMOs will look like WoW, but Rift went above and beyond to be like WoW. Many theorize it was because Trion wanted to steal a large amount of Blizzard's player base and wanted the transition to Rift to be very seamless. Thus the striking similarities.

If you honestly read even half of my posts in this thread, you'd realize that. But instead you plug your ears and scream "lalalala I CANT HEAR YOU lalalalala" and put words into my mouth.

But who am I kidding, you won't read this entire post. You will just see "wah wah I didn't play the game.. wah wah I think WoW invented MMos.. wah wah I don't know what I'm talking about". Also probably quoting that last sentence out of context as clever and witty as you are!



Edited by Backfat - 4/23/11 at 7:45pm
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I played rift a bunch, its pretty much a wow clone. Lets be honest now, a change in the class system and adding rifts inbetween quests does not a new game make.

Its hardly an end all comparison, but I think its pretty damning that the crafting system even uses the same names and breakpoints for the different levels. The developers couldn't even be bothered to change it from 75-150-300-whatever and apprentice/journeyman/etc.

Rift did change a lot and it is a different game, its not literally a 100% wow clone, duh. MMO's all have very similar elements that the entire genre uses as a baseline. I just can't imagine someone waking up and saying, "I'm bored with wow, rift is different enough to entertain me!"

I will also use this slot to shamelessly plug GW2. Want to see how to make an MMO that ISN'T a direct clone of wow-type games? Want to have active combat that isn't just cooldowns and rock-paper-scissors? Is tank/healer/DPS not cutting it for you anymore? Check out guild wars 2. DO IT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GW1 EXCEPT FOR THE LORE.
    
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Wow and Rift = Basically same thing just different graphics and content

You still grind for gear, you still PVP, you still quest like a mad man, its all the same_ Cata killed WoW ( I mean seriously its a new expansion, but it was the expansion that made me and all my friends quit playing and lost interest because when it was released, it felt like starting all over again, it felt like there is no more point of playing anymore because even if we spend all this time acquiring gear/points/what not? in the end once a new expansion is released we are back down to Step 1_ All that time wasted for nothing)

Cata made us realize, all that time wasted into playing is pointless when in the end it meant nothing, but really it didnt mean anything to start with anyhow? lol can you say addict? Yeah I was addicted to it, but Cata was like the cure =] and thank god it worked

Cata killed WoW =[
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post #54 of 67
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Wow and Rift = Basically same thing just different graphics and content

You still grind for gear, you still PVP, you still quest like a mad man, its all the same_ Cata killed WoW ( I mean seriously its a new expansion, but it was the expansion that made me and all my friends quit playing and lost interest because when it was released, it felt like starting all over again, it felt like there is no more point of playing anymore because even if we spend all this time acquiring gear/points/what not? in the end once a new expansion is released we are back down to Step 1_ All that time wasted for nothing)

Cata made us realize, all that time wasted into playing is pointless when in the end it meant nothing, but really it didnt mean anything to start with anyhow? lol can you say addict? Yeah I was addicted to it, but Cata was like the cure =] and thank god it worked

Cata killed WoW =[
WoW was dead when Wrath came out. Cata is just beating that dead horse
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I've been playing rift since it's come out and while it's fairly polished (compared to other games just released) it's not that exciting. The problem is that it's all just the same level and gear grind as it was in wow. So I'm quitting

I will say that the soul (class) system is amazing, and way better than what they have in wow. However, it's not really something that keeps me excited about the game.

I'd find something else IMO. Also: i've noticed my server's population drop off considerable since the game started.
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I just ended my RIFT account. I was brought in by the no-addon, and millions of class combos...but third party programs for DPS/HPS (damge per second/healing per second) made it into WoW Jr. Quickly the fun was sucked out of the game as "best DPS class"es appeared, and the cookie cutter builds popped up and were REQUIRED to raid. I was first 50 mage on my server, and now I wish I just had not even bothered.
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"It's like World of Warcraft, but....." describes RIFT pretty well. played all the beta events and just stopped playing it recently. the last straw was literally perpetually lagging out of the game during phase 2 RoS. i had already grown bored of the majority of the gameplay and the lack of PvP balance was pretty bad. the major difference is pvp structure, pve is the same.
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I played rift a bunch, its pretty much a wow clone. Lets be honest now, a change in the class system and adding rifts inbetween quests does not a new game make.

Its hardly an end all comparison, but I think its pretty damning that the crafting system even uses the same names and breakpoints for the different levels. The developers couldn't even be bothered to change it from 75-150-300-whatever and apprentice/journeyman/etc.

Rift did change a lot and it is a different game, its not literally a 100% wow clone, duh. MMO's all have very similar elements that the entire genre uses as a baseline. I just can't imagine someone waking up and saying, "I'm bored with wow, rift is different enough to entertain me!"

I will also use this slot to shamelessly plug GW2. Want to see how to make an MMO that ISN'T a direct clone of wow-type games? Want to have active combat that isn't just cooldowns and rock-paper-scissors? Is tank/healer/DPS not cutting it for you anymore? Check out guild wars 2. DO IT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GW1 EXCEPT FOR THE LORE.
See all those people backfat? All those people who no one is pointing out? See what it says in the bold red text?

Sit down, you're making yourself look worse.
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WoW was dead when Wrath came out. Cata is just beating that dead horse
I notice after cata came out on my wow realm server, most the top guilds guild members quit right after 2 month of release of cata, several top guild on my realm server died because guild member stop showing up for raid.

Plus I hate that there far less 25 men guild on my server most of the guild are 10 men now down from 25 men raid, which is disappointment 25 men raids was best.

and about rift I played the trial it was exact copy of wow with update graphic engine some new additional feature.
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Stopped reading after this, because it's just not worth reading anymore. I've played both games and after playing WoW for way to long and playing RIFT for a bit, RIFT is not an exact clone. There are a good amount of similarities (as with any MMO out now), but to say it's an exact clone is silly. RIFT is more of a grind in my opinion, but besides that the game is solid. If you haven't played it then your opinion on RIFT doesn't really hold any ground at all.
I currently have a subscription to both and this is a correctstatement. Rift is not an exact clone of WoW. Like all MMO's there are a lot of similarities. Best thing about Rift is the Soul "tree" system and the Rift invasions. Most the rest is still pretty much along the lines of the other MMO's. There was a recent World Event going on called River of Souls. Thought it was gonna be like an expansion but turned out it wasn't. Thats was goos fun there.
Rift also allows for the recolor of gear. A nice touch to be sure.
No guild banks. This is a bit of a downfall.
Instant mail. This is abonus. If I mail something it is to the recieve within a few seconds. Bonus.
Nicer Graphics. Honestly I have to say that this is a good thing. Not as Cartoony as WoW. I run steady 30FPS with sig rig. 60fps in WoW. Its knda noice enviroments.
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Sorry for the late reply, thanks for all the input.
I think since everyone has mixed feelings or calling it a WoW 2.0, and no definitive anwser minus someone, I think I should wait.

I'm used to grindfest in Asian MMOs like Angel Senki, Ragnarok, Lineage II that (and no offense) wow and seemingly rift is cake walk.

Edit: No I didn't play WOW, I was on FFXI
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Sure are a lot of butthurt people over what backfat has said. In the beginning he stated that he hadn't played it, but rather the information he was giving was his impression of what it would be like. I don't see any reason for all the hate, and don't understand why any of you would care anyway.

I've never played Rift, but I also considered it. From everything I've seen, it looks far too much like WoW for me to want to bother with it, I'll just play WoW. This isn't to say that all MMOs are like WoW, because games like SWG, AoC, and EvE differ quite a lot. But when I ask co-workers why I should play and the main point they give me is that I won't have to learn anything new, it just doesn't interest me.

Play Rift if you want, I'm sure it's a good game if you're in to that sort of thing, but why call the guy a tool for saying that it isn't a game he would want to play?
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, but why call the guy a tool for saying that it isn't a game he would want to play?
because this thread wasn't about backfat. It was a person asking if he should try rift. Backfat put in his two ignorant cents and then continued to argue with people who actually have experience with what the op is asking. Some people who played think it's a wow clone, and that's fine they can tell you how first hand and other people who have played can debate it or agree with it.

Like I said, warhammer was big on group quests which is a huge part of rift. Having played both I can tell you this logical point, meanwhile backfat would just call it a raid or building up faction points, so it's a wow ripoff.

No different than an intel fanboy going into an amd thread and ripping a chip that he would never even think about owning, because of what he heard one time.

This kind of ignorance and relying on second hand information is why kids are taught Columbus discovered America.
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