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No problem man

And dude you will far surpass 22k in Vantage ... here's a run with a fairly modest 800/1750 overclock on my rig (CPU is at 4.0GHz):




Of course your overall score will be lower than mine as you'll not get anything near my CPU score, but your GPU score won't suffer all that badly due to the CPU. Probably would end up with around 30K GPU with the same gpu clocks as these.

Heck, if you look at my GPU usage in the screenie you can see that even my i7 @ 4.0GHz isn't quite enough to maintain 99% gpu usage during certain parts of the tests in performance mode (esp. in the first test).

And as I think I've mentioned, if you run Vantage on Extreme mode (which is much more akin to how you're going to be running actual games) your slower CPU won't affect your GPU score at all.

I mean, who really cares if you have CPU-bottlenecking in a four year old test that's running at 1280x1024 with 1xAA (like Vantage Performance mode)? To be honest Vantage Perf and 3dMark06 are not appropriate tests for GPU's of the caliber of SLI470's. "Stock" settings in Vantage were calibrated around the 8800GTX, and '06 was based on like the 7xxx-series.

Naturally these old tests run WAY faster nowadays with top-end GPU's (esp. multi-gpu) than what they were originally designed for ... so they end up heavily CPU bottlenecked because the framerates are just so much higher that what was expected at the time.

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lest not forget slow ddr2 vs fast ddr3
ram can play a big part to
I mean ddr2 with lose timing ruining @ 800mhz vs dd3 with tight timing at 1600+mhz
we all know a good ddr3 kit will smoke a cheep ddr2 kit
also the SB and other i5/i7 have TH
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In my case, I never saw a GPU score higher than 27,5k with my Q9550. There are some games that won't show the CPU bottleneck that much such as Metro 2033 though.

And yes you will break 24k GPU score with dual 470s. 3Dmark06 is irrelevant when comparing GPUs
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In my case, I never saw a GPU score higher than 27,5k with my Q9550. There are some games that won't show the CPU bottleneck that much such as Metro 2033 though.

And yes you will break 24k GPU score with dual 470s. 3Dmark06 is irrelevant when comparing GPUs
Oh wow, for reals? I gotta admit that's a bit more significant of a CPU bottleneck on the GPU score than I'd have expected But anyways, like I said before ... who cares about BN'ing on a 4 year test that runs at 1280x1024 w/1xAA?
    
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haha thanks guys..

I'm like too excited right now!
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Oh wow, for reals? I gotta admit that's a bit more significant of a CPU bottleneck on the GPU score than I'd have expected But anyways, like I said before ... who cares about BN'ing on a 4 year test that runs at 1280x1024 w/1xAA?
True that. In reality I noticed the average FPS in most games was the same however the games looked/felt smoother. When you apply SSAA most games will stress the cards to 99% anyways

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haha thanks guys..

I'm like too excited right now!
You should be !

Dual 470s offer great performance especially once OC'ed. You shouldn't need more than 750 core though. I noticed the CPU bottleneck wasted any overclock past that number. It could have been my slow RAM too though.

Remember to force high AA to fully exploit that second card
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It feels like every other day I find myself saying that I think nicely OC'd SLI 470's are the perfect amount of power for running games maxed out at 1920 resolution.

Truth is, the 470 is a vastly under-appreciated card on OCN, IMHO. People see benchies of them and find them unimpressive, but you have to remember that were WAY underclocked so as not bite into the sales of the 480.

They have a staggering amount of OC'ing headroom when measured as a percentage of stock clocks (which is how you *should* look at OC'ing capability) ... mine will OC to 855/1800, which is a +41% OC on the core. And the scaling that you get from the OC is also beautiful ... a 40% core OC (and small memory OC) will give me a perf boost of 30-33%.

In fact, clock-for-clock, the GTX570 is actually only about 6% faster on average than the 470. And it's max OC isn't usually all that much higher.

And although I had them for a while, I actually found 480's in SLI to be a bit too powerful (not to mention hot and loud) for this resolution ... partly 'cause they do get BN'd pretty regularly, like teh Blademaster said ... even with a i7 at 4.0GHz. But mainly just cause they don't provide higher 'max playable settings' vs a couple 470's in SLI at 1920 res, so what's the point, really? Running BFBC2 maxed out at 110fps on the 480's vs 100fps on the 470's is not really something worth spending extra money on.

560's in SLI are also a really nice option, but the fact is there's a number of games that will eat up >1GB of vram at 1920 res, so if I'z goign to go that route I'd choose the 2GB version.

SLI 470's are perfect for 1920 res though. See ... there I'm saying it again
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If One GTX 460 can handle most games @ 1920 x 1200 maxed just fine, I'm sure that your SLI 470s will. Check out my backup rig in my systems. Let me know if you need any benches.
    
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You guys both kinda fail here, esp. you Thrasher since you're acting all high and mighty ... and then not really being accurate

The cards themselves don't get 'bottlenecked by lower resolutions'. Lower resolution is always easier for cards to run. IOW, all else being equal there should never be any scenario where performance is worse at a lower resolution vs. a higher one. It might be equal (which would indicate a severe CPU bottleneck in effect), but it shouldn't ever be lower.

And of course it's *possible* that one could max out a game at 1680x1050, and not be able to max it out at 1920x1200. I mean, this is the most basic concept there is in all the gfx card world. Higher resolution = harder for the GPU to run. The CPU is not really relevant to this equation.

AFA Thrasher's point goes: when a game is run, the GPU has it's tasks to perform, and the CPU has it's tasks to perform, and these do not change with the resolution. There is only a tiny difference in the amount of work the CPU has to do at 800x600 vs. 2560x1600 per frame rendered.

The reason low resolutions are used for CPU-tests is because lower resolutions will run at a much higher FPS, due to the gpu having an easy time with the set of tasks it needs to perform. And the higher the FPS, the more likely it becomes that the scenario will be CPU-limited, as the CPU is being asked to perform it's set of tasks in a much shorter timeframe. Creating a scenario where the performance is CPU-limited is how you test the CPU.

@James: your rig is gonna be kickass dude. Yes, there are scenarios where you won't get the same FPS as other people with faster chips, i.e. you will get some CPU-bottlenecking in certain scenarios. Crysis is likely to be one of those scenarios, because despite a claim upthread that it's 'gpu-dependent', the fact is: Crysis makes some pretty serious CPU demands as well. Your cpu will start to exhibit signs of bottlenecking at around 40fps when you run the game on Very High.
That is pretty much what I was saying. resolution going up can result in the card not being able to push the same settings.
so going from max settings at 1680 x 1050, to 1920x1080 will result in possibly not being able to push max settings.
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I will definitely post benchies of before and after -- I have a thread already with 3DMark06 Vantage and Heaven with a single GTX 470 at 850/1700/837 and I will post up "after" benchies so we can see how well two scales even with a Q6600 at 3.6GHz
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