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Since when is a cell phone considered an essential service? Just because people "can't live" without access to their cell phone doesn't make it an essential service. If it were actually an essential service, the government would do something to regulate it properly like they do power, electricity, and water services. Until then, they're all just gadgets that we've allowed our lives to adjust to having constant access to, but it's all far from an essential service.
Not sure where you've been, but phone service is an essential service just like electricity and water. That's why you pay taxes on it with every bill on top of existing federal and state taxes and fees for emergency 911 communications etc. You need a phone to get a job/bank account/credit card/etc. Even if you refused and tried using payphones your whole life, your employer wouldn't hire you knowing they couldn't get in contact with you.
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Unless they were trying to kill you and now know your daily routine. : )

EDIT: Or rob you... i guess they don't have to kill you.
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Not sure where you've been, but phone service is an essential service just like electricity and water. That's why you pay taxes on it with every bill on top of existing federal and state taxes and fees for emergency 911 communications etc. You need a phone to get a job/bank account/credit card/etc. Even if you refused and tried using payphones your whole life, your employer wouldn't hire you knowing they couldn't get in contact with you.
So having an iphone/android phone is essential? Cell phones are convenient, not essential. Which charges on a cell phone bill mean that a phone is an essential service? None of the non-tax fees on my cell phone bill imply that cell phones are essential. All of the fees I pay are to support support access to various services IF someone has a phone, not to support access to cell phone service itself. Paying fees on a service does not make it essential, and convenience does not equal essential. You can argue that the 911 service is essential, or that it's essential that if you have a phone that you be connected to the larger grid (hence the federal subscription charge on our bills), but phone service itself is not essential. I don't have a land line subscription, and I only use my cell phone for all of MAYBE 60 minutes a month, and when I do, it's just to shoot the breeze with family and friends. Nothing I do with a cell phone is anywhere near essential. Cell phones are convenient. Feeling like you can't live without your phone does not make it essential. From a practicality standpoint, I agree, having a phone makes things easier, but it does not relate back to the original subject of phone manufacturers tracking a user's location and that cell phone being a required/essential service. Anyone who argues that having an iphone or android phone is an essential service is a yuppie.
    
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So having an iphone/android phone is essential? Cell phones are convenient, not essential. Which charges on a cell phone bill mean that a phone is an essential service? None of the non-tax fees on my cell phone bill imply that cell phones are essential. All of the fees I pay are to support support access to various services IF someone has a phone, not to support access to cell phone service itself. Paying fees on a service does not make it essential, and convenience does not equal essential. You can argue that the 911 service is essential, or that it's essential that if you have a phone that you be connected to the larger grid (hence the federal subscription charge on our bills), but phone service itself is not essential. I don't have a land line subscription, and I only use my cell phone for all of MAYBE 60 minutes a month, and when I do, it's just to shoot the breeze with family and friends. Nothing I do with a cell phone is anywhere near essential. Cell phones are convenient. Feeling like you can't live without your phone does not make it essential. From a practicality standpoint, I agree, having a phone makes things easier, but it does not relate back to the original subject of phone manufacturers tracking a user's location and that cell phone being a required/essential service. Anyone who argues that having an iphone or android phone is an essential service is a yuppie.
Well, you seem like you would get along fine in life being Amish. Most people use phones to keep in contact with friends and family. Maybe your circle is limited to yourself and parents. It doesn't matter what kind of phone you use, only that it's a phone. Trying to write it off because it's a $600 phone vs a $20 one doesn't change the point that you need some kind of phone service in this day and age to work and feed your family. You might as well be arguing that having running water is non-essential because you can go out to the local well and get your water yourself. Us yuppies prefer hot water showers.
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I disagree and I'd prefer this information both be not kept and for me to be informed of it's being kept.

There's no need for such a massive record on your phone and also, if someone finds your phone and hacks it looking for sensitive information, what's stopping them from seeing that I spend a lot of my time at home (and them subsequently figuring out where I live from my most visited places?) and phishing through my bins etc for more sensitive information?

I disagree. I think this is a bit of an issue.
    
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Well, you seem like you would get along fine in life being Amish. Most people use phones to keep in contact with friends and family. Maybe your circle is limited to yourself and parents. It doesn't matter what kind of phone you use, only that it's a phone. Trying to write it off because it's a $600 phone vs a $20 one doesn't change the point that you need some kind of phone service in this day and age to work and feed your family. You might as well be arguing that having running water is non-essential because you can go out to the local well and get your water yourself. Us yuppies prefer hot water showers.
Maybe I would be better off Amish.

So...where does it say that phones are essential, again? You said that the fees we pay on our phone bills means that phones are an essential service, yet I fail to see where that is, exactly, as none of the fees even imply that one must have cell phone or home phone service. You keep saying that people NEED phone service (I'm assuming you mean cell phones?) to work and feed their families, yet so many people still get by just fine without them. Cell phones are a luxury, plain and simple, and the fact that we feel like we always need access to talk to people, check email, check facebook statuses, etc. is an entirely different story.

Not making any comments on your age, but if you grew up before cell phones were prevalent, you'd probably recognize how easy it is to get along without one. They make things more convenient, but they're far from essential. I'd say general access to the internet is more essential than having a cell phone.

Seems like this thread has been sufficiently derailed...
    
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I don't think it has been entirely derailed.

We are discussing the issues presented in the article, which was simply an opinion and not a fact based writing. Perhaps a bit of focus on the cellphone thing, but it is still topical.
    
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Maybe I would be better off Amish.

So...where does it say that phones are essential, again? You said that the fees we pay on our phone bills means that phones are an essential service, yet I fail to see where that is, exactly, as none of the fees even imply that one must have cell phone or home phone service. You keep saying that people NEED phone service (I'm assuming you mean cell phones?) to work and feed their families, yet so many people still get by just fine without them. Cell phones are a luxury, plain and simple, and the fact that we feel like we always need access to talk to people, check email, check facebook statuses, etc. is an entirely different story.

Not making any comments on your age, but if you grew up before cell phones were prevalent, you'd probably recognize how easy it is to get along without one. They make things more convenient, but they're far from essential. I'd say general access to the internet is more essential than having a cell phone.

Seems like this thread has been sufficiently derailed...
I grew up before phones were commonplace and I understand what you're saying, and I agree.

But you're also wrong. My friend runs a console repair business. Without their mobile phone, landline and internet connections they'd have no business and would struggle to compete. Some people do need phones to live and feed their families.

Now, 16 year olds, imho, aren't going to die without their mobile phones. And I use my for convenience and because I'm a massive geek. But some people need phones some people need to be connected. It's very simple and I'm surprised you're being far narrow minded with this one!
    
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Thats why I only use my landline. Because the government/hackers has no clue where my landline is installed. It might be in my living room, it might be upstairs. They have NO WAY OF KNOWING!!

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I grew up before phones were commonplace and I understand what you're saying, and I agree.

But you're also wrong. My friend runs a console repair business. Without their mobile phone, landline and internet connections they'd have no business and would struggle to compete. Some people do need phones to live and feed their families.

Now, 16 year olds, imho, aren't going to die without their mobile phones. And I use my for convenience and because I'm a massive geek. But some people need phones some people need to be connected. It's very simple and I'm surprised you're being far narrow minded with this one!
Yes, but some people needing them to have a more competitive business does not universally make all phones (cell phones specifically) an essential service for everyone. Could my father have succeeded with his business without a phone at his work? No, not nearly with as much ease. But it doesn't mean that the average citizen NEEDS one to live from day to day.
    
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