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my data is my data. they take it without my knowledge/consent. its a violation of privacy. granted they may not use it for anything important. theft is still theft.

please see the telecommunications act of 1996. passed by congress. it said all phones. ( from low end tracphones ( pre paid ) to high end phones ( iphone/andoid ) are to have data mining/location info available for the govt.

i like how that senator said we need a investigation into why apple is stealing data. well congress already made this legal in 96. so whats going on are they really saying they forgot they made it ok?
Edited by Blaze051806 - 4/25/11 at 4:51pm
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We can go on arguing about how you can manage to live without one thing or another but they're still taxed and regulated as an essential service. How do you think that wireless service is connected once it reaches the tower? It couldn't possibly be using the same telecommunication company's wired lines that are maintained by tax dollars now could it?
Are you smoking crack? Maintained by tax dollars? The government doesn't own nor maintain phone/telecom lines. Phone companies (for lack of a better term, or we can call them "telecom" companies) own and maintain phone/data lines. Tax dollars do not go into maintaining them. There might be government subsidies/tax breaks for phone/telecom companies to expand networks to provide greater coverage for citizens, but the government does not own, nor is responsible for maintaining phone lines, and there is no provision in tax dollars for "telecom line maintenance."
    
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Are you smoking crack? Maintained by tax dollars? The government doesn't own nor maintain phone/telecom lines. Phone companies (for lack of a better term, or we can call them "telecom" companies) own and maintain phone/data lines. Tax dollars do not go into maintaining them. There might be government subsidies/tax breaks for phone/telecom companies to expand networks to provide greater coverage for citizens, but the government does not own, nor is responsible for maintaining phone lines, and there is no provision in tax dollars for "telecom line maintenance."
No one says the government "owns" them... The tax on phone service is used to pay for ensuring those lines are maintained. How does anyone not know this? Don't you look at the fees on your monthly bill?
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The point, though, is that a user has the choice of which device to use--let's assume that, so far, only iphone and various android devices actually implement this tracking ability. There are other cell phone handset options that people can choose from, so even if someone considers a phone to be "essential," there are still other options to choose from. Albeit lame options with admittedly fewer features, but functional nonetheless.
The point, as I understand it, is that not raising a fuss over this discovery will certainly lead to implementation in less sophisticated devices as GPS and other requisite features become norms in less technical devices. Assuming there is a reason for the data being collected, without which the archiving and storage of it would be rather puzzling.

And then there will be no choice.

Because we enjoy the luxury of choice now does not ensure we will enjoy it later. I think that is the fear that people have, and why the raise such a racket when they feel their privacy is quietly being edged out.

When you look at major events, the public will largely forget about it a week later when the new story is about X, Y or Z. Noise needs to be made, and it needs to be made loudly when issues are presented that risk sweeping rights to privacy under the rug, or for any important topic.

It is important to have both sides chime in, but I feel the discussion is paramount.
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then again.... I could check the file to see where my GF has actually been in the last week...
Or she could check on you. There are all kinds of reasons this should worry people, just because there are worse things out there doesn't mean we shouldn't care about this.
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No one says the government "owns" them... The tax on phone service is used to pay for ensuring those lines are maintained. How does anyone not know this? Don't you look at the fees on your monthly bill?
Which one the fees are explicitly for the government taking responsibility for maintenance of the telecom lines? None. None of them is for maintenance of the existing telecom lines. There are fees to facilitate national continuity of access between carriers, but that's about it.
    
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None of those suggestions fix the problem with the phone being stolen except the jailbroken app Untrackerd. There's plenty of more juicy info on your phone than gps coordinates though.

The concern is more with your phone getting stolen than your computer. They're definitely going to find far more valuable information on your computer than some gps coordinates of where your phone's been...
How will they access the info if they steal your phone? You need the iTunes password to be able to connect the iPhone to a new computer and back it up to access that file. The computer needs to be authorized under your account.
I believe if you take this further and choose the encrypt iPhone backup, whenever the iPhone is backed up on ANY computer you need the same encryption password but don't quote me on that because I haven't tried it.

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Originally Posted by Blaze051806 View Post
my data is my data. they take it without my knowledge/consent. its a violation of privacy. granted they may not use it for anything important. theft is still theft.

please see the telecommunications act of 1996. passed by congress. it said all phones. ( from low end tracphones ( pre paid ) to high end phones ( iphone/andoid ) are to have data mining/location info available for the govt.

i like how that senator said we need a investigation into why apple is stealing data. well congress already made this legal in 96. so whats going on are they really saying they forgot they made it ok?
What are you talking about "taking it without your knowledgement and consent"? Or "stealing data"?
When you plugged your iPhone into your computer the first time you got it, you agreed to the Apple ToS. You agreed for them to collect data. They aren't taking it without your consent, you consented to it! And you continue to consent to it every time Apple updates their ToS, because it pops up on your phone whenever it does.

You can't just hit away at the "Agree" button without understanding what you're agreeing too, and when the crap hits the fan - it's "oh you're stealing my data without consent."
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Originally Posted by RotaryKnight View Post
theres lots of bad things in life that you live with, so this should be any different.
Except the fact that this problem can be changed with a keystroke.
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How will they access the info if they steal your phone? You need the iTunes password to be able to connect the iPhone to a new computer and back it up to access that file. The computer needs to be authorized under your account.
I believe if you take this further and choose the encrypt iPhone backup, whenever the iPhone is backed up on ANY computer you need the same encryption password but don't quote me on that because I haven't tried it.
They can just grab the file straight from your phone. They don't need to get it through itunes. Something like DiskAid etc. to view the hard drive. That's why Untrackerd which neuters the file is the safest option.

I also don't think you need to enter any password when backing up an iphone/ipad/ipod to a new computer. I've been able to sync my iPhone on fresh installs of windows/osx on different machines. Not sure if I had to sign in to the same itunes account or not though. The encrypted iphone backup is just to encrypt the backup on the computer so prying eyes can't read the backup file locally.
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