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Yeah VA monitors are not the best for gaming, since they got more ghosting than IPS displays.

That is a generalization, but it usually holds true
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I'm noticing a distinct lack of ability to seperate things into what they are rather than the basic idea behind them here...
the 3 advantages IPS generally (NOTE THE WORD GENERALLY) have over VA is better colour accuracy, better viewing angles, and better response time. in every other way VA are generally better.

now, here we have a few less general specifics to include in the comparison,
firstly there is the much higher contrast ratio on the VA, which leads to viewing angles being just as good (from a greater than 10:1 contrast ratio perspective, from a drop off in contrast its worse, but thats to be expected when you have a higher contrast that it falls faster off angle, yet it still retains a higher contrast ratio than the IPS throughout that)

Then secondly, the colour accuracy, the VA is more colour accurate in this circumstance (as it damn well should be, i'm really not a fan of Eizo for some of their products being waay out of the right price range! at least they get it right sometimes though)

thirdly, i must apoligise for some misinformation up there^ it seems the Eizo VA panel is a cPVA from samsung and is 6bit, my mistake in not checking that part of the panel specs first rather than relying on Eizo to be honest... so 6bit vs 6bit then...seems like every panel technology is going 6bit expect for AU optronics AMVA panels (BenQ VA screens)

Input lag on the VA is surprisingly low at 9ms, though that shouldn't be noticable to the IPSs 10.6ms (both under a single frame) though those are averages so i can't claim there aren't times when when the IPS is lagging a frame and the VA isn't i don't have enough information to make that judgement.

the Dells srgb coverage is 96.6% and NTSC coverage is 1% higher than the VA at 72%, adobe rgb coverage is 75.4 IPS vs 74.1 VA.
far as i know windows (and most consumer computing stuff) uses the sRGB colourspace, though if you are planning to use photoshop and adobe rgb then that 1.3% extra coverage may be something to consider, i'm not sure what uses the NTSC colourspace (i think thats american television though, i'm sure theres an NTSC resolution that is 57x by something seeing as Pal and SECAM covers eurasia and soth america it makes sense to me, not too sure though.)


now i'm going to try and find out if the VA panel has any tinting like the IPS, that may be another thing to compare.


Ah De-Zant a voice of reason ... wow 25minutes ago? how longed it take me to type this up?
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You did not address ghosting there. That is the main issue with VA from my experience
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VA panels measure with higher contrast ratios because their black level is slightly better than IPS.

That's pretty much their only benefit though.
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Ah De-Zant a voice of reason ... wow 25minutes ago? how longed it take me to type this up?
Must've taken some time, huh.

You gonna address the ghosting issue?
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Must've taken some time, huh.

You gonna address the ghosting issue?
Nope, depends on your eyes too much for me to really make a comparison, myself i don't really care how much things ghost, even the fastest TN panels are easily visible as ghosting to me so i just judge things by the quality of a image, if i judged things by ghosting CRTs would be the only things i could ever recommend!
Besides i have yet to find any website that does proper tests on pixel response times, and judging by the claimed response time isn't exactly the most ideal way of doing things, if there was someplace with that information then there's a objective part i could address, as there isn't theres manfacture claims and peoples personal experiences with one of the other.
and no i don't class the 'pixperan' test as a proper test of pixel response, it only tells you what its like for a very specific set of transitions, the difference between a specific set of transitions and another set is what led to G2G claims of 7ms isntead of B2B claims of 25ms, over a 3 times difference.
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Yeah. I do care about ghosting though. I'm annoyed by my two ghosting TN panels and IPS panels ain't any better.

Good thing I've got a sony GDM-F520 coming here today. Don't know if it's in good condition, but if it is, good. I hate ghosting.
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Originally Posted by kyle-reece View Post

Input lag on the VA is surprisingly low at 9ms, though that shouldn't be noticable to the IPSs 10.6ms (both under a single frame) though those are averages so i can't claim there aren't times when when the IPS is lagging a frame and the VA isn't i don't have enough information to make that judgement.

1. Where did you got that information about the VA having 9 ms response time? From a test? Cause in the shop it says 7ms for Eizo and 8 for U2311h

2. Did that post mean you're still most positive about buying Eizo? I maybe should chose the monitor with the least ghosting as I'm going to use it for gaming?


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Yeah. I do care about ghosting though. I'm annoyed by my two ghosting TN panels and IPS panels ain't any better.
I've never seen or had any problem with ghosting on my BenQ 21,5" LED V2210 Eco
Is it just me not noticing or will I maybe see ghosting on U2311h and Eizo?
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1. Where did you got that information about the VA having 9 ms response time? From a test? Cause in the shop it says 7ms for Eizo and 8 for U2311h

2. Did that post mean you're still most positive about buying Eizo? I maybe should chose the monitor with the least ghosting as I'm going to use it for gaming?


3.

I've never seen or had any problem with ghosting on my BenQ 21,5" LED V2210 Eco
Is it just me not noticing or will I maybe see ghosting on U2311h and Eizo?
1 - input lag and response time are not the same thing, response time is how long it takes for the pixels to change state, input lag is the time between recieving the signal and acting on it, so a 16.7ms (i think) input lag would put the screen 1 frame behind the data being fed to it.

2 - i generally try not to specifically say which to go for TBH, thats a decision you're supposed to make, we're supposed to gather relevent information and present it to you so you can decide

if you're barely affected by ghosting there shouldn't be a problem (and by barely i mean barely, i do things by extremes) if you're like me and super super sensitive then it may not be a problem (i notice the ghosting all the time, i decided from there i'd for with best static imagery, maybe you'd rather have slightly better moving imagery) if you're in the 98% of people that are affected by it the usual way then you have the choice between better static iamgery or better moving imagery.
could always try and find one of each of them and compare the ghosting first hand, then decide which to purchase from firsthand viewing
If i had to pick between those i'd personally buy the Eizo, but for gaming i can see why some people would buy the Dell, then again i hate the dithering on 6bit panels, it messes with my eyes and makes them ache like hell.

you may want to consider the anti-glare treatment as well, some people complain its too strong on the Dell U series and makes it look grainy, can't say i've ever been bothered by strong anti-glare though, better than reflections in the panel which might result from the Eizos (i'm guessing due to sumsung cPVA) lighter anti-glare coating, then again i'm using a BenQ BL2400PT which surpposedly has a semi-glossy coating, (think i have polarised lenses in my glasses though, maybe that helps)



3 - from what i've seen of people with the U2311 some think that the ghosting is less evident than on claimed 5ms TN monitors, then again what is claimed and what it actually is are different things entirely, with the use of overvolting the pixels though its certainly feasable that they could be better response time wise, why they wouldn't claim it if its true is beyond me, then again i remember recently on www.hardforum.com someone mentioning a VA TV with a 4ms response time... makes me wonder if TVs claim even less than monitors or if somethings really weird behind the scenes in advertising standards makes more outlandish claims legal with TVs than on monitors...
Maybe TVs can just do the transitions in 2 frames rather than 1 due to the 24fps signal, it is around half of what VA monitors are claiming nowadays after all, ah my brain hurts.

might want to read this http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/advanced.htm if you want more of a clear view on how overdrive works, might be something hidden in there that says Eizo or Dell has the superior overdrive technology even, if it says Dell is best then maybe you should just go with the dell for the faster response time.


ok i'm done now, too many long posts, waaaaay too much being a geek done today, i'm off to finish reading a delightfully long fanfiction
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Thank you very much for your help!

I'm sorry about this but I'm not sure I understand the following, and I might have exaggerated the number of comments too. Maybe some other members understand this better than me too as I'm not the best in English:

Quote:
if you're barely affected by ghosting there shouldn't be a problem (and by barely i mean barely, i do things by extremes) if you're like me and super super sensitive then it may not be a problem
1. So you're saying that if I'm barely affected by ghosting there is no problem in chosing the VA, AND if I'm like you which is extremely affected it's neither a problem?

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(i notice the ghosting all the time, i decided from there i'd for with best static imagery, maybe you'd rather have slightly better moving imagery)
You notice ghosting and therefor you chose the screen that's worst ghosting and go for best static imagery? If I understand this the correct way this choice is based upon that you notice ghosting anyway and it won't help you to get just a little less?

Quote:
if you're in the 98% of people that are affected by it the usual way then you have the choice between better static iamgery or better moving imagery.
2. Soo, if I react normally to ghosting which I take is the opposite of how you react, I will not have a problem with the ghosting and thereby should do as you and chose best static?

AND also I can chose between the screen with best moving imagery and the one with best static?


3. Is anti glare (I'm not sure I understand the word) to prevent other light interferencing with the image visibility?


I am probably also going to be reading a lot of text on the screen
Other light is not going to be a problem in my room, does that mean that at this point the VA monitor is better?

4. The monitor with the best moving imagery is U2311h and therefor a better choice when it comes to gaming and movies?
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