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Can somebody here please convince me that a 70 dollar sound card with a 20-30 dollar DAC can really bring an "improvement" in SQ?

I am open to opinions from everyone.
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Can somebody here please convince me that a 70 dollar sound card with a 20-30 dollar DAC can really bring an "improvement" in SQ?

I am open to opinions from everyone.
How about if the internal on board audio conflicts with the system and produces hum?

Or buzz's when you move the mouse, etc.

Everything else comes down to the relative performance of the DAC, right?
    
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post #23 of 55
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How about if the internal on board audio conflicts with the system and produces hum?

Or buzz's when you move the mouse, etc.

Everything else comes down to the relative performance of the DAC, right?
Are you referring to the EMF noise?
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I noticed a huge difference going from the realtek 8 channel onboard to the Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 Deluxe,

Sound improved quite considerably aswell as the dimensions with in Gaming the sound stage opened up very well and speaker seperation was as clear as a bell,

I use my PC for gaming, movies and of course music,

If you can change the frequency out put on your onboard sound from say 16 bit, 44100 Hz (CD Quality) to 24 bit, 192000 (Studio Quality),
you will hear a vast improvement in the sound output and the sharpness and detail it brings forward to the audio source,
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Are you referring to the EMF noise?
If it can all be attributed to EMI\\EMF, yes.
    
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If it can all be attributed to EMI\\EMF, yes.
Onboard sound can, but does not always, suffer from humming resulting from interference - this is usually the result of the manufacturer (or the designer, or both) cutting corners at some point. I have noticed this kind of hum from older motherboards maybe from 7-10 years ago. I remember the onboard on my old Pentium III computer had a horrible noise like you described.

However, you may know that onboard has dramatically improved since then. I have not experienced any interference, humming from motherboards manufactured within the past 3-4 years.

I think its perfectly fine that many users here like sound cards. I think subjective listening is very very important and that biased recommendations should be encouraged.
Edited by youra6 - 4/25/11 at 10:37am
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Yeah I'm sure that the onboard quality has increased drastically.

The biggest thing for me was actually input\\output options on a dedicated card. Specifically MIDI input and 1/4 balanced TRS output and input, as this is what my monitors/microphone use for input and output.
    
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post #28 of 55
i will simplify it like this :
let`us start with this: a sound card is Way better than on-board

1-Has higher SnR ratio most onboard are 80-90~ while almost all cards are over 100 a thing that can be Easily noticed even with modest sound systems (yet not rubbish one) the top SNR card think is the (Xonar Essence STX 124SnR)

2-Having a devoted sound processing using a stand alone card will allow you to hear -let`s say- more number of sounds

3-All sound card manufactures have their own techs (e.g. Creative`s CMSS3D ,XRAMs or ASUS`Smart Volume Normalizer) ,technologies that really makes the difference in some cases

4- A sound card will give you alot of more options in Inputs/Outputs even the bundled utilities can easily makes anyone able to have his own modest sound studio

a good sound card is like the hidden charm, makes your enjoyment at it`s best without letting you know
    
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post #29 of 55
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i will simplify it like this :
let`us start with this: a sound card is Way better than on-board

1-Has higher SnR ratio most onboard are 80-90~ while almost all cards are over 100 a thing that can be Easily noticed even with modest sound systems (yet not rubbish one) the top SNR card think is the (Xonar Essence STX 124SnR)

2-Having a devoted sound processing using a stand alone card will allow you to hear -let`s say- more number of sounds

3-All sound card manufactures have their own techs (e.g. Creative`s CMSS3D ,XRAMs or ASUS`Smart Volume Normalizer) ,technologies that really makes the difference in some cases

4- A sound card will give you alot of more options in Inputs/Outputs even the bundled utilities can easily makes anyone able to have his own modest sound studio

a good sound card is like the hidden charm, makes your enjoyment at it`s best without letting you know
1. Incorrect, many motherboards today use the Realteck ALC88X chipset. They have a SNR of over 100 (around 106 for the 889).

2. Generally speaking, anything you do to any signal will degrade it, so that is a reason why some people do not like post processing effects.

3. I have not noticed dramatic changes with ASUS' Smart Volume Normalizer. This is subjective however.

4. Agreed.
Edited by youra6 - 4/25/11 at 11:06am
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thanks guy ! u r all awesome !you guys successfully push me to pull a trigger on asus xonar dx since the price is quite reasonable.
is there any suggestion on good headphones?need to change my crappy altec lansing 2.1 speaker.

im interested with this one http://www.ebuyer.com/product/158648...edium=products

what do you guys think?
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