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    GTX 470
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    GTX 560ti
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post #21 of 30
For 1680x1050 there is absolutely no need for 2gb of vram. Just stick with EVGA since their customer service is among the best if not the best, as well as the lifetime warranty. I would go with the 560 though for the reasons brettjv pointed out.
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For 1680x1050 there is absolutely no need for 2gb of vram. Just stick with EVGA since their customer service is among the best if not the best, as well as the lifetime warranty. I would go with the 560 though for the reasons brettjv pointed out.
I absolutely agree. GTX 560, here I come
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I'll be going the distance (past 3 years) with these GPUs I plan to buy.
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For 1680x1050 there is absolutely no need for 2gb of vram. Just stick with EVGA since their customer service is among the best if not the best, as well as the lifetime warranty. I would go with the 560 though for the reasons brettjv pointed out.
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I absolutely agree. GTX 560, here I come

You are making a huge mistake if you think two of those are going to last 3 years+ in SLI. You say you want long-term but you are not thinking long-term.

First, VRAM does not add up in SLI. If you have two GTX560 ti's in SLI with 1GB of VRAM each, that doesn't make 2GB available to the games. You'll still only have 1GB.

Second, some games nowadays already use more than 1 GB at 1680x1050. I should know better. My monitor's max. resolution IS 1680x1050.

Take a look. Just took this screenshot. You're already almost 20% above 1 GB right there.



Third, in 1 year's time you are going to be regretting your choice. Games will be using more and more VRAM. You won't be able to max games at that resolution. Let alone in 2 years or 3 like you say.

Basically, in two year's time, with 2 GTX560's SLI you'll have the horsepower, but lack the VRAM.

I repeat: HUGE mistake.
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Because GTA4 is not a console port, and should be used to determine how much VRAM is needed -.-
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Take a look. Just took this screenshot. You're already almost 20% above 1 GB right there.



Third, in 1 year's time you are going to be regretting your choice. Games will be using more and more VRAM. You won't be able to max games at that resolution. Let alone in 2 years or 3 like you say.

Basically, in two year's time, with 2 GTX560's SLI you'll have the horsepower, but lack the VRAM.

I repeat: HUGE mistake.
At your resolution (based on your sig), you can gain more preformance if you just have your settings on "high." You can even set the Anistropic to 2X. The visual difference is so minimal, you would barely notice it, especially while playing. If you were using a much larger resolution, you would be able to enjoy the eye-candy even more with those settings you are currently using @ 1680x1050. 2gb VRAM is more beneficial to resolutions larger than 1680x1050. There's nothing wrong having 2gb of vram for 1680x1050 but at the end of the day, difference is very, very minimal. You do not need 2gb of vram for 1680x1050.
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Take a look. Just took this screenshot. You're already almost 20% above 1 GB right there.

Just out of curiosity ... how well does the game's estimation of vram usage on this screen match up with what AB says is the actual vram usage when you play it?

OP: Let me just also say ... if the plan is definitely to go SLI with the card you buy, and you for sure want to future-proof your setup ... I'd get the 560 2GB version. I concur with TPI on this point, given that just because you're at 1680x1050 doesn't mean you always will be, and vram usage is just going up over time.

If you know for sure you're sticking w/single card though I wouldn't bother with 2GB because the single 560 gpu is not really powerful enough to push apps at settings that require more than 1GB of vram. Two of them will, though so the 2gb option makes sense for 560's in SLI.
    
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Because GTA4 is not a console port, and should be used to determine how much VRAM is needed -.-
If you want to play the game, it is. It's like that, no matter if it's a console port or not. Besides, it's an open world game, it uses lots of RAM if you want it to look good. Next year GTA V will be released. It will probably take advantage of Radeons HD6950 and 6970 2GB, which, by then, will be one year old cards.

With your comment you didn't even address the long-term question. The OP clearly said he wanted those cards to last more than 3 years. No way that is going to happen with 1GB of VRAM.

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At your resolution (based on your sig), you can gain more preformance if you just have your settings on "high." You can even set the Anistropic to 2X. The visual difference is so minimal, you would barely notice it, especially while playing. If you were using a much larger resolution, you would be able to enjoy the eye-candy even more with those settings you are currently using @ 1680x1050. 2gb VRAM is more beneficial to resolutions larger than 1680x1050. There's nothing wrong having 2gb of vram for 1680x1050 but at the end of the day, difference is very, very minimal. You do not need 2gb of vram for 1680x1050.
I don't need more performance; the GTX480 is able to handle the load just fine.

The question you are continuously overlooking is: you may not need 2GB of VRAM for 1680x1050 NOW, but you WILL in the FUTURE. Isn't that your goal ? Didn't I quote you saying that ? It's easy to guess what kind of VRAM you will be needing, even at 1680x1050 in two years.

And with Full HD monitors so cheap, are you sure you won't be switching monitors faster than GPU's ? Say, in a year, a year and a half ? I will. I will be buying a Full HD monitor in a few months' time.

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Just out of curiosity ... how well does the game's estimation of vram usage on this screen match up with what AB says is the actual vram usage when you play it?

OP: Let me just also say ... if the plan is definitely to go SLI with the card you buy, and you for sure want to future-proof your setup ... I'd get the 560 2GB version. I concur with TPI on this point, given that just because you're at 1680x1050 doesn't mean you always will be, and vram usage is just going up over time.

If you know for sure you're sticking w/single card though I wouldn't bother with 2GB because the single 560 gpu is not really powerful enough to push apps at settings that require more than 1GB of vram. Two of them will, though so the 2gb option makes sense for 560's in SLI.
Exactly!

I didn't measure it, but I can. Meanwhile, I took a screenshot of GPU-Z while Metro 2033 was on, 1680x1050, Very High Settings, Advanced PhysX off.

Here it is:


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The question you are continuously overlooking is: you may not need 2GB of VRAM for 1680x1050 NOW, but you WILL in the FUTURE. Isn't that your goal ? Didn't I quote you saying that ? It's easy to guess what kind of VRAM you will be needing, even at 1680x1050 in two years.
I understand...So maybe I should consider spending $300 (this is the extreme limit) & buy a GTX 480 since it has 1.5gb of vram I have to make a decision real soon but at the same time be conservative with the spending.
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Just out of curiosity ... how well does the game's estimation of vram usage on this screen match up with what AB says is the actual vram usage when you play it?
Just went back to GTA IV, here is the VRAM usage:



Afterburner tells the same story, so I opted for the built-in screenshot feature of GPU-Z, which is faster.

So, all in all, GTA IV estimates are pretty accurate.

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I understand...So maybe I should consider spending $300 (this is the extreme limit) & buy a GTX 480 since it has 1.5gb of vram I have to make a decision real soon but at the same time be conservative with the spending.

Yep, that would be a great idea. That's what I did two weeks ago. The card in my main rig was a GTX460 1GB until then. Shops are selling the remaining stock of GTX480's, so you'll be able to make great deals. They will be mostly reference cooler cards, but the price is so good, you'll have money to spend on the Arctic Cooling Accelero Extreme Plus and still have money left if you considered buying an HD6970.

I bought my Gigabyte GTX480 for the insane price of € 227 euros. Then spent another € 55 on the AXP (and the corresponding 004 mounting kit), which gives you spectacular temps and low noise (I can't hear the fans - my case fans and my 1TB Caviar Black are louder). An HD6970 with a good cooler, say the Asus DirectCU 2 costs € 320, so it's really the best deal you can make right now on Nvidia cards. Actually, on any cards (but that is just my subjective opinion).
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Personally, I think the VRAM concern at 1050p is a little overblown.

I don't doubt that it's possible for some games to break the 1GB limit based on settings, but they're certainly the exceptions rather than the rule, and I can't see that changing dramatically in the next 2 years.

That said, if you think you may want to upgrade to a 1080p or higher screen down the line, investing in cards with more than 1GB isn't a bad idea.
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