You need to either lower the memory speed or raise the voltage (dram) running through it. Take my RAM for example, it's rated 1333 MHZ @ 9-9-9-24 with 1.50v with a 2:10 multiplier, but i have it running at 1600 MHz @ 9-9-9-24, with 1.57v on a 2:8 multiplier.
I think you should also boost the IMC/VTT voltage, just in case it won't boot as well.

 

ok im not really understanding what u told me. So to get my ram to run what it supposed to be set at I changed my memory clock from x6.66 to x8.00 which brought me up from 1333 to 1600 which boots just fine. but my cas is 11-11-11-29 and the ram is supposed to be 9-9-9-24 but when i set it to that it wont load windows. what voltage do i change? I have cpu pll 2.5
dram 1.5
nb volt 1.32
sideport mem 1.6
nb/pcie/pll 1.8
cpu volt 1.45

 

Your bus clock is at 200Mhz default right? (200 x 8 = 1600; if it is above that you may be running above 1600Mhz in a way that is not stable)
Being Corsair Vengeance your RAM may not require more than 1.5V. You might want to change the CPU-NB voltage and give it a bump or two to allow it to run properly; as 1600Mhz can be slightly more stressing on the IMC.

 

There are more timings than the "known" ones. Those also affect performance if incorrectly set. I know for a fact that, as when i got a second set of 2 GB modules for my sig rig i had to tweak the tRFC timing (it can vary in your case). I'd look in the BIOS for anywhere where you can read the default RAM stats, and hardwire all of them (auto settings fail).

Didn't saw you had an AMD system, the IMC volt equivalent on AMD is the CPU-NB volt. Boost it a notch or two.

 

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Originally Posted by xd_1771;13357248
Your bus clock is at 200Mhz default right? (200 x 8 = 1600; if it is above that you may be running above 1600Mhz in a way that is not stable)
Being Corsair Vengeance your RAM may not require more than 1.5V. You might want to change the CPU-NB voltage and give it a bump or two to allow it to run properly; as 1600Mhz can be slightly more stressing on the IMC.

I figured it out! its not supported by my motherboard. I purchased 1600 because the kid at the store swore it was supported by my motherboard. it's not! 1066, 1333, 1866 is but not 1600! Which is what the kid gave me. and that what I was attempting to get my ram set at! So i'm off to return the ram tomorrow morning. Is it worth it to get the 1866 its only like $30 more. Oh and thanks soooooo much for the assistance !

 

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Originally Posted by sparky4601;13357772
I figured it out! its not supported by my motherboard. I purchased 1600 because the kid at the store swore it was supported by my motherboard. it's not! 1066, 1333, 1866 is but not 1600! Which is what the kid gave me. and that what I was attempting to get my ram set at! So i'm off to return the ram tomorrow morning. Is it worth it to get the 1866 its only like $30 more. Oh and thanks soooooo much for the assistance !

If your mobo supports 1866, 1600 is also supported

 

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Originally Posted by IOSEFINI;13357813
If your mobo supports 1866, 1600 is also supported

agreed. You're running @ 1600 right now. The issue is with the timings, which might be solved increasing volts a bit.

Your mobo not supporting 1600 is like saying "i can drive a bike and a truck, but not a car"

 

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Originally Posted by sparky4601;13357772
I figured it out! its not supported by my motherboard. I purchased 1600 because the kid at the store swore it was supported by my motherboard. it's not! 1066, 1333, 1866 is but not 1600! Which is what the kid gave me. and that what I was attempting to get my ram set at! So i'm off to return the ram tomorrow morning. Is it worth it to get the 1866 its only like $30 more. Oh and thanks soooooo much for the assistance !

That's not how it works. Most likely your RAM is truly 1600MHz with an XMP profile for 1866. XMP profiles are for intel CPU's. XMP = xtreme memory profile.

First we need a little bit more info about your rig. For instance, what is your CPU-NB frequency? That has every bit as much of an affect on your what frequencies and timings you can pull from your RAM.

Secondly, unless I am mistaken, AMD rates all AM3 CPUs' RAM frequency to 1333MHz. Regardless of what the RAM is rated for AMD only officially says that your RAM max frequency is 1333MHz. So when you're trying to run it at 1600, you're technically overclocking it.

Third, what is the exact part number for the RAM that you bought? This will help in determining what your sticks are capable of.

Fourth, you can't simply just set your RAM to 1600 and expect it to work. If you do not do any stress testing expect that you will start to get crashes and operating system corruption will soon result as memory is the only thing that can corrupt an OS.

 

Well I'm glad to hear I dont need to take a ride tomorrow! lolhttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/279TTUE0L5fsOY4XfrqTC-Qyr6dNEVpL0s-C0hEcG_I?feat=directlink
This is the memory stock
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Y8PI6PR4CkBOc_JHBJtk7WdseVFmTchePKgzfNnmq7Y?feat=directlink
and this is when i bump the multiplier to 8x
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lO4ws3CIwSv0eHQS7WzZthPllpE7iPQgszRme1ZfG0U?feat=directlink

This is the ram I have

 

try 1.55V - DRAM Voltage
EDIT: Also raise your CPUNB VID a little bit since you run 16G of RAM

 

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Regardless of what the RAM is rated for AMD only officially says that your RAM max frequency is 1333MHz.

I hope I'm not reading your mind wrongly here... but, yeah, this is wrong. AMD rates the memory controllers at 1333Mhz for the purpose of the lack of need for anything faster due to current memory standards that OEM manufacturers use in their prebuilts. AMD memory controllers can actually run at 1600Mhz due to an undocumented x8 multiplier, without bus clock OC-ing. The same goes for Sandy Bridge: rated 1333, multipliers allow for much more. Memory speed capability is mostly IMC revision specific. His, being an E0, should run 4 DIMMs of RAM at 1600Mhz no problem.
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Fourth, you can't simply just set your RAM to 1600 and expect it to work.

If it's rated 1600Mhz, it's going to work, unless the RAM is DOA, or you run on an IMC that's actually known for problems running high speeds (i.e. C2 revision, but they don't make the Phenom II x6 in C2 flavour)

 

So I found a deal this morning and ended up getting the 1833 ddr3 ram for $5.95 more so i went for it since i was headed that way. But still same problem! I kinda figured that from all your posts. So here are my new settings I really think its voltage but I've been playing all morning and am making no progress.
cpu clock ratio- x18
cpu northbridge freq- 2290
cpu freq-229 mhz
ht link- 2290
memory clock-x8.00 1832 mhz
Cpu PLL voltage-2.5v
dram voltage- 1.5 stock (i've bumped it up step by step all the way to 1.710 but no difference)
ddr vtt voltage .750 (i have not touched this
nb voltage-1.3v stock ( I have bumped this up to 1.6v but still nothing)
sideport mem volt control 1.6v (have not touched this either)
nb/pcie/pll v- 1.8 ( have not touched this either
cpu nb vid control- 1.075 normal I cant remember if ive played with this one or not. lol

Anybody have any suggestions??? I'm about to torch this rig! lol

 

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Originally Posted by xd_1771;13358787
I hope I'm not reading your mind wrongly here... but, yeah, this is wrong. AMD rates the memory controllers at 1333Mhz for the purpose of the lack of need for anything faster due to current memory standards that OEM manufacturers use in their prebuilts. AMD memory controllers can actually run at 1600Mhz due to an undocumented x8 multiplier, without bus clock OC-ing. The same goes for Sandy Bridge: rated 1333, multipliers allow for much more. Memory speed capability is mostly IMC revision specific. His, being an E0, should run 4 DIMMs of RAM at 1600Mhz no problem.

If it's rated 1600Mhz, it's going to work, unless the RAM is DOA, or you run on an IMC that's actually known for problems running high speeds (i.e. C2 revision, but they don't make the Phenom II x6 in C2 flavour)

I noticed you have almost the same setup as me. Did you have any problems with this?

 

dont touch NB volt. CPUNB VID is what you have to adjust(raise)

 

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Originally Posted by IOSEFINI;13368685
dont touch NB volt. CPUNB VID is what you have to adjust(raise)

what about ddr vt voltage?

 

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Originally Posted by sparky4601;13369008
what about ddr vt voltage?

...half of your DRAM voltage. AUTO should be OK

 

Ive given up! I have tried every setting in my bios! were talking 9 hours yesterday and 8 today! Still no matter what I do as soon as i change the memory timing to manual i cant post! Does anyone think i have a bad MB? I reupdated bios again also just in case and that did nothing as well

 

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Originally Posted by sparky4601;13371371
Ive given up! I have tried every setting in my bios! were talking 9 hours yesterday and 8 today! Still no matter what I do as soon as i change the memory timing to manual i cant post! Does anyone think i have a bad MB? I reupdated bios again also just in case and that did nothing as well

You should use memory multiplier to keep the memory a stock clocks&timings. Both the clock and timings affect stability. So drop the memory multiplier one step in order not to get overclocked memory, then put in the stock timings. Most of the time if you uo the clocks you will have to use more loose timings to achieve stability. There is a compromise between clocks&timings, there are two chances: high clocks & loose timings or low clocks and tight timings. I hope this cleared out memory overclocking to you. My advice is keep the memory at stock until you've found the sweet spot for CPU and NB clocks, then start tweaking memory if you have the patience as memory OCing wont affect performance a lot.

 

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Originally Posted by Tuxi;13371946
You should use memory multiplier to keep the memory a stock clocks&timings. Both the clock and timings affect stability. So drop the memory multiplier one step in order not to get overclocked memory, then put in the stock timings. Most of the time if you uo the clocks you will have to use more loose timings to achieve stability. There is a compromise between clocks&timings, there are two chances: high clocks & loose timings or low clocks and tight timings. I hope this cleared out memory overclocking to you. My advice is keep the memory at stock until you've found the sweet spot for CPU and NB clocks, then start tweaking memory if you have the patience as memory OCing wont affect performance a lot.

Thats the whole problem im trying run them at stock 9-9-9-24 but for some reason auto runs them at 11-11-11-29

 

I called Gigabyte today. Their response was, Call the ram manufacturer, I called the Ram manufacturer and there response was call the Motherboard manufacturer. But from what I got outta Gigabyte was. 4 gb cards are not supported only 1&2 but yet they state there boards support up to 16g of ram. So I asked him. If you don't support 4 gig cards how do I get 16 gigs of ram "that you support" with only 4 memory slots? He hung up on me!

 

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Originally Posted by sparky4601 I called Gigabyte today. Their response was, Call the ram manufacturer, I called the Ram manufacturer and there response was call the Motherboard manufacturer. But from what I got outta Gigabyte was. 4 gb cards are not supported only 1&2 but yet they state there boards support up to 16g of ram. So I asked him. If you don't support 4 gig cards how do I get 16 gigs of ram "that you support" with only 4 memory slots? He hung up on me!

Are you trying to use the stock timings WITH the stock clocks?

Edit: Your MB does support 4Gb sticks, thats not your problem. If you start overclocking by increasing FSB you should decrease the memory multiplier to keep the memory at stock clocks. Then you can assign the stock timings.

 

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Originally Posted by Tuxi;13381559
Are you trying to use the stock timings WITH the stock clocks?

Edit: Your MB does support 4Gb sticks, thats not your problem. If you start overclocking by increasing FSB you should decrease the memory multiplier to keep the memory at stock clocks. Then you can assign the stock timings.

Yes I have attempted that. I started with 233fbs x 14 giving me the stock 3.2 ghz and my ram as close to 1866 as it will allow me. leaving everything on auto and only attempting to change the memory clock from auto to manual and it still wont post. leaving it at those settings I attempted to adjust voltages just in case that was the problem still nothing! Even if i leave the ram at 1333 (stock setting) and change the timing setting from auto to manual leaving the latency timings set to the computers specs it still won't post! I have attempted just about everything I can think of! last night I ran prime 95 for 4 hours and was stable with 4.1 ghz 233x18 and my ram at 1864 but the timings at 11-11-11-29 as thats the only setting the computer will use. (auto) yet still if i change from auto to manual it won't post I get 2 long beeps from the mb and it loads bios. I finally received a e-mail back from Gigabyte this morning (3 days!) and they gave me another moron answer! "your computer must be over clocked to run at those speeds. " Even though I stated in my e-mail to them that I was oc and that no matter what setting i use it wont let me change it! I even re flashed my bios last night hoping it was a software glitch. still nothing! So tonight I am taking this MB back hoping i just got a bad one! I don't want to get a different one cause I got a unbeatable deal on this one! normally $159 i paid $59 so to get another mb equal to this one I would have to pay more $$

 

Start raises to CPU-NB voltage
CPU-NB voltage may add to IMC (memory controller) stability in a way that stabilizes everything for you. Just a thought...