Overclock.net - Overclocking.net
     
 
Home Gallery Reviews Blogs Register Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Members List


Go Back   Overclock.net - Overclocking.net > Industry News > Video Game News

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-02-08   #1 (permalink)
VALVe's biggest Fanboy
 
Puckbandit35's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Fresno, Ca
Posts: 2,752

Rep: 285 Puckbandit35 is a proven memberPuckbandit35 is a proven memberPuckbandit35 is a proven member
Unique Rep: 191
Folding Team Rank: 1511
Trader Rating: 8
Default [TeamFortress] Heavy is next for unlockables

Source

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robin Walker
As Gabe mentioned in his lengthy response to an email recently, the next class pack will focus on the Heavy. For the Medic and Pyro packs we kept our goals for the pack pretty close to our chest, but for the Heavy we've decided to open up the process a little. Our hope is that you'll get a better insight into how we approach design problems, and have some fun thinking about the problem yourself. We do design collaboratively at Valve, and one of the side effects of it is that we really need to be able to evaluate design ideas as objectively as possible. Otherwise design meetings would devolve into subjective arguing. We've found that the best method of working objectively is to have clear goals up front. Once we've got clear goals, we can throw a bunch of ideas up on the board and measure how well each idea achieves those goals. Often the work of testing those ideas against the goals causes us to further refine or clarify the goals.

Here's a list for how to help define the problems we want to solve with the Heavy pack. It's pretty much exactly what we would start a design meeting with. Try coming up with a new unlockable for the Heavy that addresses the goal, while staying within the constraints as much as possible. The extra section includes other details that are useful when trying to compare two viable ideas.

Goal: Make the Heavy more viable when he has no Medic to pair with.

Constraints:

It shouldn't have a cumulative effect when being healed by a Medic as well. Heavy/Medic pairs do pretty well as it is.

It shouldn't significantly change the Heavy's role, relative to other classes. In particular, it shouldn't significantly encroach on another class's role.

It should be understandable for both the user and the player it's being used on.

Extra:

How much work is it? How many new models, sounds, effects, etc?

Does it deepen the Heavy's skill curve? Is it easy to learn? Hard to master?

Is it an interesting tool to choose relative to the base Heavy weapon it's replacing? What scenarios can you envision in which each is useful? What arguments can you raise for why each is better than the other?

How often does the Heavy need to think about it? Is it something he uses once every 5 minutes, or is it something he needs to be constantly thinking about? A greater impact on player decision making is generally a good thing.

How many other features of the game does it affect? Often, the best ideas are "economical", with a small set of required actions, but a wide set of resulting effects.

Finally, keep in mind the skillset required to be a good Heavy. He doesn't really rely on fine aim, since his minigun has such a wide spread, instead relying on more tactical skills, like these:

Being in the right place before he starts firing, because he has little ability to move while firing.

Good anticipation of enemy behavior, for both the above point and because his minigun needs to be spun up before firing.

The ability to estimate the amount of damage he's taking. It takes time for the minigun to spin down, so he needs to be able to know when it's time to retreat several seconds before his health has run out.

The ability to keep firing at a target while still keeping an eye out for other dangers, in particular Snipers & Spies.

Obviously, there are many more, like the full set of skills required to be a good user of an invulnerability charge. If you compare his combat related skills to that of the Soldier or the Demoman, you'll see he has a unique set that's less about aiming & dodging, and more about commitment choices and accurate battle evaluation. When thinking about your new unlockable idea, think about the new skills, or changes to old skills, that it'll require the Heavy to learn. It's best if those new skills aren't identical to ones required of other classes, or class distinctions become less interesting.

In the end, solutions almost always require tradeoffs, from the breaking of a constraint to the addition of a large chunk of work to solve understandability. A framework for objective evaluation is a great tool, but ultimately, something also needs to be fun, and that's hard to evaluate on paper. We try to end our design meetings with three potential solutions, and then implement crude versions of each. Playtesting those crude versions usually shows us some pros and cons that we didn't see in the meeting. Solving those cons, without giving up any of the pros, is the real meat of game design.

I hope you have some fun thinking about this with us.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fatal05 View Post
Why would you want to get rid of any Valve game anyway? Its like the fine art of the gaming industry. And EA is like the struggling community college art major who can't draw a circle.
Steam Community + Xbox Live = Puckbandit35
Gordan Freeman > Master Chief

System: The Thing That Should Not Be
CPU
Intel Core 2 Q6600
Motherboard
DFI LP UT P35 -TR2
Memory
4GB OCZ SLI DDR2 800
Graphics Card
eVGA GTX 260 Core 216
Hard Drive
2 WD 150 GB Raptors (Raid 0) 1 200 GB External
Sound Card
Sound Blaster Audigy 4 / Logitech X-530
Power Supply
FSP 700W Epsilon Quad Sli
Case
Aspire X-Navigator Blue (Painted Inside Black)
CPU cooling
Tuniq Tower
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Windows Vista Ultimate x64
Monitor
Chiemi 22' WS 1680/1050
Puckbandit35 is offline I fold for Overclock.net Overclocked Account   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #2 (permalink)
New to Overclock.net
 
Opeth07's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 361

Rep: 6 Opeth07 Unknown
Unique Rep: 5
Trader Rating: 0
Default

WHAAAT!!! spies need loving too!
__________________
System: My PC
CPU
E6750 OCed to 3.23ghz
Motherboard
Asus P5N-E SLI
Memory
2gig x 2 G.Skill
Graphics Card
XFX 8800GTS 512mb
Hard Drive
WD 250gb 7200RPM SATA
Sound Card
onboard
Power Supply
Rosewill 600w SLI-ready
Case
Raidmax Smilodon
CPU cooling
Arctic Cooling
GPU cooling
stock
OS
XP home
Monitor
Acer 22''
Opeth07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #3 (permalink)
Overclocker in Training
 
abc1234's Avatar
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 184

Rep: 13 abc1234 Unknown
Unique Rep: 13
Folding Team Rank: 700
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Opeth07 View Post
WHAAAT!!! spies need loving too!
what are you talking about? the spies will love backstabbing all those heavies
__________________
System: Budget Rig
CPU
Athlon X2 5000+ 65nm
Motherboard
ASUS M2A-VM
Memory
4 gb of Kingston ValueRAM 667mhz
Graphics Card
EVGA 8800GT
Hard Drive
500GB Seagate 32MB cache
Sound Card
Integrated
Power Supply
Antec 500watt
Case
Unknown
CPU cooling
stock
GPU cooling
stock
OS
Windwos Vista X64
Monitor
Nec 17" 1735NXM
abc1234 is offline I fold for Overclock.net   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #4 (permalink)
News Fiend
 
intel

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 499

Rep: 60 Nubcake is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 53
Folding Team Rank: 540
Trader Rating: 5
Default

Oh lawdy, heavy spam next >.> This is gonna be worse than pyro spam...
Nubcake is offline I fold for Overclock.net   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #5 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
Esseff's Avatar
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 529

Rep: 18 Esseff Unknown
Unique Rep: 16
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Give the demoman some lovin already
__________________

The Black Mesa Survivors Club

EVGA 8800GTS 512 (G92)

System: 900
CPU
AMD Athlon x2 5000+ BE @3.0
Motherboard
GB M57SLI-M4
Memory
OCZ 2 Gigzzz
Graphics Card
EVGA 8800 GTS 512
Hard Drive
320GB Western Digital 7k
Sound Card
On Board
Power Supply
Rosewill(Lol)550w
Case
A900
CPU cooling
Alpine 64
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
XP 32bit SP2 / Vista 32bit Ultimate
Monitor
19 Samsung LCD
Esseff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #6 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
Gexx's Avatar
 
intel ati

Join Date: May 2008
Location: Toronto, Canada.
Posts: 730

Rep: 40 Gexx is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 39
Folding Team Rank: 1111
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nubcake View Post
Oh lawdy, heavy spam next >.> This is gonna be worse than pyro spam...
Not if you play Sniper
__________________
Grow food in Dirt?Save time eat Dirt!

System: Megatron
CPU
Q9450 3.4Ghz(1.296V)
Motherboard
DFI LP DK X38
Memory
G.Skill F2-8500CL5D 4GB
Graphics Card
Visiontek Radeon 4870
Hard Drive
WD 320GB Sata
Sound Card
Auzentech X-FI Prelude 7.1
Power Supply
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750
Case
Antec Nine Hundred
CPU cooling
Noctua NH-U12P
OS
Vista Ultimate x64 SP1
Monitor
Viewsonic VX922
Gexx is offline I fold for Overclock.net   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #7 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
Esseff's Avatar
 
amd nvidia

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 529

Rep: 18 Esseff Unknown
Unique Rep: 16
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gexx View Post
Not if you play Sniper
I hear the snipers getting a horse tranquilizer rifle for the heavies!



Wishful thinking
__________________

The Black Mesa Survivors Club

EVGA 8800GTS 512 (G92)

System: 900
CPU
AMD Athlon x2 5000+ BE @3.0
Motherboard
GB M57SLI-M4
Memory
OCZ 2 Gigzzz
Graphics Card
EVGA 8800 GTS 512
Hard Drive
320GB Western Digital 7k
Sound Card
On Board
Power Supply
Rosewill(Lol)550w
Case
A900
CPU cooling
Alpine 64
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
XP 32bit SP2 / Vista 32bit Ultimate
Monitor
19 Samsung LCD
Esseff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #8 (permalink)
PC Gamer
 
Sgt.Collins's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 863

Rep: 57 Sgt.Collins is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 49
Folding Team Rank: 529
Trader Rating: 0
Default

sweet! i just got this game yesterday so im still learning.. but i got the blutsager for the medic and just now the flaregun for the pyro!! im stoked! even tho i will be mostly playing sniper/spy to take out all those heavies
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezixn View Post
As long as I can play my steam games on a mac...
OH WAIT...
Well at least mac has the number crunching market...
OH NOES
I suppose they win in the server market...
RUH ROH

System: computer
CPU
Intel Q6600 Quad Core
Motherboard
Abit IP35 Pro
Memory
2gb Crucial Ballistix
Graphics Card
XFX 9800GT
Hard Drive
250gb Western Digital SATA
Sound Card
Onboard Sound
Power Supply
700w OCZ Game X Stream
Case
Raidmax Smilodon Extreme Black
CPU cooling
Xigmatek S-1283
GPU cooling
Stock
OS
Windows Vista Home Premium 32 Bit
Monitor
17" NEC AccuSync LCD
Sgt.Collins is offline I fold for Overclock.net   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #9 (permalink)
Ёxţřëмë Ğâмëř
 
Anth0789's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: May 2007
Location: █♣█
Posts: 8,430

Rep: 711 Anth0789 is becoming famousAnth0789 is becoming famousAnth0789 is becoming famousAnth0789 is becoming famousAnth0789 is becoming famousAnth0789 is becoming famousAnth0789 is becoming famous
Unique Rep: 395
Hardware Reviews: 15
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Cool! +1 Now once this comes out there will be all heavy's everywhere muhahaha

System: Ğâмïňğ Řïğ™
CPU
Q6600 Ģ0 @ 3.4Ğћž/1.456v
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L
Memory
4GB (4x1GB) OCZ Platinum Revision 2 DDR2-800Mhz
Graphics Card
ҲFҲ 8800GT 512MB Extreme Edition Alpha Dog Edition
Hard Drive
Seagate Barracuda 250GB 7200RPM Sata II
Sound Card
Realtek HD Audio
Power Supply
OCZ GameXStream 700W
Case
Antec Twelve Hundred
CPU cooling
Ҳigmatek HDT-S1283 W/AS5
GPU cooling
Thermaltake Duorb
OS
Vista Home Premium x64
Monitor
Proview "19" Wide-Screen LCD
Anth0789 is offline Overclocked Account Anth0789's Gallery   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-08   #10 (permalink)
New to Overclock.net
 
carl25's Avatar
 
intel nvidia

Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,691

Rep: 62 carl25 is acknowledged by some
Unique Rep: 56
Trader Rating: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esseff View Post
Give the demoman some lovin already
qft
__________________
System: Sunfire
CPU
E6300 @3.1
Motherboard
ASUS P5B
Memory
4gb g skill pc8000+ 4gb 6400 ballistix
Graphics Card
Galaxy 8800gt 512
Hard Drive
500gb+640gb
Sound Card
Azuntech Prelude
Power Supply
Corsair HX520
Case
Antec P182
CPU cooling
Thermalright ultima 90 w/nf s12
GPU cooling
Accelero S1+turbo addon
OS
Vista home premium 64bit
Monitor
crappy dell
carl25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
heavy weapons guy, team fortress



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:48 AM.


Overclock.net is a Carbon Neutral Site Creative Commons License Internet Security By ControlScan

Terms of Service / Forum Rules | Privacy Policy | Advertising | Become an Official Vendor
Copyright © 2008 Shogun Interactive Development. Most rights reserved.
Page generated in 0.29034 seconds with 8 queries