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Old 11-14-08   #131 (permalink)
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How is it like stealing prints? When steal prints they lose out on the cost of materials and running the machine. When you download a game they don't lose materials, since its not even the company that you're downloading from, and you're using your own bandwidth to download it.
I knew you wouldn't comment on fist part of my post because it actually deals with the issue of stealing from these two guys.

Ok, lets go with your "idea" of what stealing/theft is. How fast do you think these small indies companies would fold with your logic? You honestly think stealing a digital copy is ok?
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How is it like stealing prints? When steal prints they lose out on the cost of materials and running the machine. When you download a game they don't lose materials, since its not even the company that you're downloading from, and you're using your own bandwidth to download it.
It's called intellectual property and copyright infringement. It's the reason why musicians and actors and artists get paid royalties and such. Otherwise what's the point?

Just because you're not getting a physical product that doesn't mean that the code you downloaded has no value to it. And just because it's your bandwith you used to download it, that doesn't mean you can take something that the law says you have to pay for to rightfully posess.
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lol what im saying is , is downloading games is not considered theft in the eyes of the law , it is more on the intellectual rights that is being violated , only "physical" objects can be "stolen" in the eyes of the law.



soo whoever says "piracy is theft" , that aint correct.


more like "Piracy is infringing on copyright laws"
Well.... technically.....

Theft: the act of stealing; the wrongful taking and carrying away of the personal goods or property of another; larceny.

Stealing: to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.


Based on that. You are performing theft as your are taking the property of the company, even though it is a number. You are taking their game without their permission and are infringing on copyright laws - that is considered theft. Therefore, piracy is theft.
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Thats the problem with arguing about piracy. Whenever they don't have anything else to say, the "good" team always refers back to the fact that its "technically" illegal.

Following the law just because its the law is ignorance. Laws are set in place to be guidelines on how to behave, and its up to the individual to use his own reason to decide when, and how to follow it. Since you all seem to be so bloody adamant on following the rules, next time you go 1 mile over the speed limit, why don't you drive to the nearest police station and DEMAND to be fined? If you refuse to actually think for yourselves, and instead trust to some higher power to tell you exactly what to do, then you've failed as a human being.

I'm done with this thread.
we're not following the law just because it's the law. we're following the law because it provides for content creators to benefit from their hard work. that's the spirit of the law.

laws, whether written or unwritten, are the bedrock of society. people get along when they can agree upon a shared code of conduct. if you unilaterally decide to go against that code of conduct, the community will take action against you. we call that crime and punishment.
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Thats the problem with arguing about piracy. Whenever they don't have anything else to say, the "good" team always refers back to the fact that its "technically" illegal.

Following the law just because its the law is ignorance. Laws are set in place to be guidelines on how to behave, and its up to the individual to use his own reason to decide when, and how to follow it. Since you all seem to be so bloody adamant on following the rules, next time you go 1 mile over the speed limit, why don't you drive to the nearest police station and DEMAND to be fined? If you refuse to actually think for yourselves, and instead trust to some higher power to tell you exactly what to do, then you've failed as a human being.

I'm done with this thread.
Is there any "good" reason for pirating World of Goo? We arent even talking about an OS or a essential business software. We are talking about a cheap game. It came into this world priced at $20, within a year I bet its selling for $5. I agree no one should blindly follow the law just because it is the law, but you also have to look at the reasons the law exists and why you are choosing to break it.
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I'm always amused by futile attempts to justify something that is so blatantly illegal.
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How is it like stealing prints? When steal prints they lose out on the cost of materials and running the machine. When you download a game they don't lose materials, since its not even the company that you're downloading from, and you're using your own bandwidth to download it.
Are you stupid? Really. Not just an insult there, an actual question.

Do you honestly believe that anyone sells things at the price they cost to manufacture?

Do you think paintings cost millions to make? Do you think processors cost as much as they are sold for to make? No.

You are paying for the time of the people who made it, and the ideas they own. That is worth money.

A physical object is not the only thing of value.

Say you invent a processor that runs at 50GHz and has 20 cores, right now. Are you honestly say you'd manufacture it and sell it at the price it costs to produce?

Just because it doesn't cost money for the company to produce a digital copy of the game, you are not paying for the use of their property - it'd be just like taking a movie from a rental store and not paying. Even if you put it back, you have still stolen the value of that rental from them. You didn't pay them.

People need an incentive to create stuff. If no one bought anything, why would people bother to produce games and the like?
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Hmmm, I just checked Gamespot, IGN, and the score given on Steam. It seems to get about a 9/10, 90%. Which is pretty good if you ask me. I think I'll download the demo on Steam and if it's remotely decent I'll go ahead and buy it.

Sounds fun though. Physics games are often pretty entertaining and addicting.
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piracy is illegal , but it aint the same as stealing.....dont really know where it falls under.........


eg:


I go to a friends house and he has a fake copy of world of goo.......he tells me to play it , i like it and then he makes me a copy...........


how can you say im stealing a copy from the developers?!?
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