OmegaNemesis28

:turd: dude - you do nothing but seriously flame on developers.
I can kinda see where you're coming from but seriously, if you even bothered to read the thread you'd realize that EA is changing the way the game is on the PC.

There is a reason for all the changes on the console version from what is normally the PC Battlefield. It wouldn't work the same, and not to mention the console audience is generally completely different then the PC. They're simply catering to the people in order to make profit, and it is logically 100% correct to boot. There will be changes to the PC version, and chances are, while it may not be RADICALLY different - there will be gameplay differences for that very reason.

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The changed version wont be anything like BF1942 and wont be a step up from games like BF2.


Yea I know more money, but it doesn't change the fact that the poo on us and WE made them who they are today. I would rather have them just come out and say "okay were a big company now thanks to you but were focused on just making money so bye bye core PC gamers" and end it there instead of treating us like idiots and making games which are just steps backwards compared to the original. They got on the console bandwagon with Bad Company now there's no getting off.

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[Teh Root]

I'm not getting my hopes up. This looks bad. Pretty bad with lots of bloom. PI'm not waiting around for it. I'm waiting for Battlefield Bad COmpany 2 for PC.

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alex98uk

Oh, you also have to remember Battlefield 3 is now officially in development, confirmed after the EA exec tongue slip.

DICE could just as easily have not brought BC2 and 1943 to PC. I remember hearing so much whining about BC1 not being on PC as well. But, I guess you can't please everyone.

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xJumper

Well there starting to lose there audience. BF2 came out in 2005, than there was BF2142 in 06 which was great but wasn't what we really wanted. Now 1943 is coming out but once again delayed for the PC, it will probably come out in October but it's still not a step forward from BF2, neither will BC2 which will be released for consoles in early 2010 which we will have to wait again until mid 2010.

Ok so there are rumors of BF3, there's no solid proof other than a few links to comments that employs apparently said and even if it was true than when will BF3 come out? 2010? Probably not were looking at a mid 2011 released date and even then we still don't know if it's going to be console tailored or noobified in some way which would once again make it a step backwards from the original BF2.

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alex98uk

It's been stated in multiple interviews that BF1943 and BC2 aren't aimed at being a successor. They are different style of game, perhaps appealing to different people. I believe it was Patrick Liu who said that?

It's officially announced as being in development. After the EA exec let, it was let known to us fans that "We can confirm that Battlefield 3 is in development, but have nothing else to say at this stage". Multiple, reliable sources said that. So, we know it's coming, but yes, like you say, it's not for a while.

Don't think as BC2 and 1943 replacing BF2, because they are not meant to. They are primarily aimed at consoles, but as a treat, they are also ported to PC (probably due to the grief DICE got for not releasing Bad Company 1 on PC).

So, think of us as being lucky to have these titles. 1943 will be very cheap and offer a fun experience. It's not a full game, it isn't meant to and it's not priced to be, thus, don't make the assumption that it is and compare to other full blown titles such as BF2.

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xJumper

Well I'm just tired of this console garbage, back in the day DICE set out to make a game that was different, had huge maps, vehicles and wasn't just a bunch of people running around in a 10x10 kill box *cough*COD4*cough* and that's why we bought the game, that's why we bought every single other game after that. We made them who they are today now they :turd: on us.

Unless you were a hardcore BF fan as I was you wouldn't understand this. This game was also the main reason why I started PC gaming, as I saw how developers could take advantage of the extra horsepower that a PC could deliver and make the best games.

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alex98uk

I am a hardcore fan. I am admin on a multinational gaming forum, you may have heard of it as either Totalbf2.com or the Total Gaming Network? I do quite a few interviews and Q&A sessions with DICE themselves and often talk with those guys casually. So, I understand.

However, what you don't understand is that companies like majorities. Niche markets are risky and in this time and age with the economy ass over tits, risking capital isn't a great idea. Why make a game that may sell well, but only to a small % of gamers when you can follow the CoD style approach and make a game that is accessible by all and will sell millions.

Times change my friend and you either accept it or kick your heels and whine. The latter won't get you anywhere. Also, it doesn't matter where a business has come from, it's where they are going. Sure, they shouldn't leave behind those who made them successful and this isn't the case with DICE as they prepare for BF2 1.5 and apparently BF3, but they must also look to the future to diversify. Make Battlefield available to those who hadn't played before, whether it be via Heroes, 1943 or BC2.

Lastly, you say you bought the game because it wasn't a 10x10 box of death. Last time I checked however, CoD4 has far outsold BF2. Doesn't this tell you something about who you are? A niche consumer?

Dwell on that.

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xJumper

Yea it outsold BF2 because it was made for "casual" players, there was no learning curb and you just get in the game, run around and shoot stuff. Not like BF2 were you will get raped by a team using teamwork/tactics, something your 15 year old in highschool couldn't give a rats AS5 about. COD1 & UO used to be just like BF, but than they went console and made these types of poo games.

Yea I see what your saying there making games just to get the most money, well they can have fun with that but you can count me and a lot of the hardcore crowed out. When the market resets itself and they realize that there missing a huge chunk of there audience they will start making games for us again, until then I'm slowly stepping out of the PC gaming scene.

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alex98uk

Do you mean curve?

I'm afraid, as much as you dislike it, those 15 year olds in "highschool" have more of a say than you as they are the majority buying the games. Most realism games have an exponential learning curve, something not best suited to mass market (a few exceptions such as Gran Turismo however).


Problem is, a lot of players on games such as BF2 are not what you so aptly name "hardcore" fans. Bf2 is an arcade game with very little skill required to play (play, not win).

However, I used to side with you in that I thought if DICE want to go make mainstream console style games, let them, but they'll notice a dent where they missed the "hardcore" market. I since came to learn that us trolls that hang around on forums make up maybe 5% of players in the said game.

The "hardcore" gamers tend to have the most to say (complain) about and their only way of letting people know is via forums and chat boards such as OCN. So, you consider that the 5% of players that talk on forums are all "hardcore" fans. But, for the sake of it, let's say there are another 5% of "hardcore" fans that do not stick and forums. That's 10% of Battlefield fans are what you call "hardcore" fans.

Now, DICE are faced with an opportunity cost. They can either continue to support what that 10% want and perhaps appeal to maybe another 10% of new players ... or they can forget that 10% and make a game that will draw maybe 40% more new players in because it appeals to generic gamers (IE hardcore). You don't have to be a mathematician to understand where i'm going with this...

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