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Old 07-06-09   #81 (permalink)
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http://www.ausgamers.com/features/read/2750420

I was mistaken, it was Chet not Gabe. The point remains though.



Then he goes on to say how L4D2 was to large for DLC and how they will continue supporting the game, had to cut it short due to posting on my phone. They keep saying content but then say no new maps/campaigns. This is why I don't trust we will get what they said we would.
Fair enough. Valve didn't deliver to an extent then.
That said, I, personally, still don't feel cheated by this.

Thanks for taking the time to support your argument.
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Old 07-06-09   #82 (permalink)
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Fair enough. Valve didn't deliver to an extent then.
That said, I, personally, still don't feel cheated by this.

Thanks for taking the time to support your argument.
Thanks for the compliment.

BTW I really hope to be proven wrong. I own about every Valve game made, so they are one of my favorite gaming companies. One of the few companies I buy games from at release. I knew/know they will make the game right, even if there are issues early. That's why I feel so let down by this. I know they are in business to make money but they were and providing some of the best customer service out there, IMO.
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From my understanding, Once L4D was released, the team sat down and started working on some extra content as soon as they had some data from people playing the game. They threw ideas around, things started getting concrete, like new infected, new director, new characters, new weps, and then somebody said something along the lines of 'its too much of a change to release in small updates like TF2.'

The new infected and new weps are made to work on the new maps with the new director, so releasing the new infected first, then the new weps is just stupid. You ruin the new experience.

But I still think the content should be viewed as an 'update' because VALVe used the info we gave them through L4D to make the 'better' version and are now charging full price again from what I'm told.

Here's my idea:

Release L4D2 as paid DLC for L4D, however, don't make it a standalone game [for PC atleast]. Make it so that in order to play L4D2, you must own L4D, and then just offer L4D2 at $20-35 and pretty much everyone whining will shut up.

VALVe will win because they're getting paid for their work
The players will win because they get new content
Those of us who bought L4D won't feel totally ripped off
Trust for VALVe will be reinstated
That makes sense to me. Bundle them together for a discount of course (butnot quite enough to piss off the L4D people lol0

I'm surprised to see such backlash against such a great company though, honestly.

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I completely agree with all the boycotts on L4D2.

If I buy a game, I demand every new game in the series to be free or half priced, otherwise it's pure shenanigans. I'm actually writing an angry letter to infinity ward asking for my free copy of MW:2, I'll show them proof I purchased the first game. Don't even get me started on Bioshock 2.....
This!!!


I've got my angry letter Pen all ready. How dare those companies in a capitalist society decide to try and turn a profit for once instead of handing it out for free to the vocal minority of QQ crybabies like me.

I'm so mad I had to pay for Supreme Commander: forged Alliance. I'm asking for my money back! I paid for the first one why isn't the second one with vastly more content and size but similar game play on the same engine free?!?!?! It can't have possibly cost ANY money to develop that program!!! Why should I have to pay for it!??

I mean once you write a game engine the sequels just write themselves automagically without developers or anything.

I seriously want to find some of these people and go to their work and stand around asking for things for free and rationalizing that because I bought one thing I should own the store and stand around outside with boycott signs until the cops drag me away.
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We should all make a boycott group banning l4d2 until they give us a free copy of mw2 for this screwup #_#

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What part of the argument is irrational? Check the link in this thread where Gabe said we will get new weapons, characters and maps. Then show me these add-ons.
The only result I see this boycott having is Valve and Gabe will no longer hold press conferences until the last possible moment. They won't promise anything for fear of an armed uprising of crybabies trying to drag the company through the mud because they didn't get something that was promised in a single interview and never mentioned since.

Anyone who says they bought the game based on the promise of content is lieing or stupid. If the game wasn't worth 50$ when you bought it it's your own fault for buying it.

Any DLC we get is Cream... Free Cream.... This is what valve gets for standing above the rest.

If you perform miracles too often the public will come to expect it and even shun you when you only do a proficient job.

I will be buying L4D2 on release day for full price if I have to.
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I love how they've gone from the darling company of gamers all over to evil incarnate because they needed to sell this instead of give it away.

how sad would you be if they put themselves out of business entirely just to please the vocal minority's addiction to free?
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If the game wasn't worth 50$ when you bought it it's your own fault for buying it.

Ill give you that. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

I don't feel gypped (yeah, nice and politically correct) on L4D1, seeing as I got hundreds of hours of gameplay out of it.

I do have a sour taste in my mouth about the DLC and SDk, so I support a lot of what the boycott stands for. However, I will get L4D2. It'll just be on a discount weekend and not on opening weekend.

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I love how they've gone from the darling company of gamers all over to evil incarnate because they needed to sell this instead of give it away.

how sad would you be if they put themselves out of business entirely just to please the vocal minority's addiction to free?
Please refute the argument. Oh that's right you cannot. You have to resort to name calling. Yep, we are the irrational ones.
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Ill give you that. As the saying goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

I don't feel gypped (yeah, nice and politically correct) on L4D1, seeing as I got hundreds of hours of gameplay out of it.

I do have a sour taste in my mouth about the DLC and SDk, so I support a lot of what the boycott stands for. However, I will get L4D2. It'll just be on a discount weekend and not on opening weekend.
Anyways I agree with you man a lot of people aren't going to buy this on opening day or weekend for that matter. Which probably is going to mean a lot of money lost on the PC version, but regardless this is going to sell on console like crazy.
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