Yes, Another Car Radiator Thread--56K Warning!

[Naja002]

Another change that I may make is increasing the pipe size from the blue barrel down to the pump. Its 1" now, but I'm thinking of increasing it to 2" to act as somewhat of a pump reservior. The pump is getting plenty of flow, but it just seems like maybe it would benefit from more available water. However, in a closed loop, I cannot really sort out in my head whether or not there would actually be a benefit. Here's another pic from above:



Add 2" (or even 3") pvc after the ball valve/elbow down to the pump. Seems like more water would be available for the pump, but that water has to be replaced and it would be drawn through the 1" from the barrel. So, I am wondering if I can do as I'm thinking? Or, If I should replace everything with larger pipe completely--from the barrel to the pump? Hoping that makes sense! :shocked:


Suppose to get up to 34C/93F today, so the real test will begin.......:wiggle:

[Naja002]

Ok, just a quick update......apologies for the poor quality pix. As I posted earlier, I went to Lowes yesterday and got the stuff to change the plumbing from the barrel to the pump. That's done, but I had an issue that may keep me shut down for a week or so.....:down: I'll know in a few hrs, I guess....:shrug:

Anyway, First:


WoWZa! Now that's a Union! :shocked:





Seems that life would not be complete if we could just get a well thought out list together, head to the hardware store and get everything we need. But I guess that would take a lot of the fun out of everything, huh? So, I got my list together, headed to Lowes got everything for the electrical, the plumbing and a couple of other unrelated projects--and actually did pretty good! :up: I got one pvc part wrong--got a female thread instead of the male. Its the piece that screws into the pump intake. So, after scrounging around in my extra parts bins--I found this:





:shocked: Eureeka! Got one! :clap: The show is back on the road! :wiggle:



But then ya know life is never that easy.....never. So, I head out there today to go a head and get this plumbing done, and get the show back on the road. I like to build pvc from both ends and then connect in the middle somewhere--just seems like the easiest route to me. So, one of the first things I do is screw that brass fitting into the pump intake. 3 or 4 turns and: C-R-A-C-K-!!!!!. It cracked the Frickin' threaded housing right down the side. Jeezus! Shat! :shakes: :shakes: :shakes: Definitely not Happy about it. Started scratchin' my head wonderin' what the Heck I was gunna do......:shrug: I don't have any more tubing clamps that size. So, I thought: Ok, silicone. See if there's any tubing that will fit snuggly around that part and tie wraps. So, ultimately, that is what I did:






No, I'm not expecting it to work long term. I can pick up some clamps on my way home this weekend. But I am hoping it will hold for a few days. The tubing is the leftover 1 1/4" from the rad inlet tubing. It fits nice and snug. If I had some actual screw clamps--I'd have a bit more faith, but I'm doubting at the moment! :yepp:

I guess the part that makes this so ridiculous is that I actually have the piece that I need. No, not the exact part, but the fix the screw-up part: a double threaded 3/4" pvc nipple. Shat! I didn't see it when I was scrounging around, but it jumped right out at me after I broke the frickin' housing. Sheesh. Ho-hum. I guess things were going too well initially. :rofl: I'm going to give it a few hours for the silicone to set and then see about firing it up.


So, on with the upgrade:

Here's a pic of the new 2" pipe--not inserted into the barrel:

The part that goes into the barrel is 1 1/4", the rest is 2".



I added a couple of air bleeder holes so that only X-amount of air can get trapped in the barrel. Might make priming the pump a bit of a pain at times, but I know how to deal with that, so life is Good! :up:



Added a different pump priming port:


Now that's an Opening!:

Yep, still got the toes on that foot......:up:


So, this is how the system looks now:



Going to see how much a new pump cover will cost......:up: EDIT: $12.98 shipped. I guess I can live with that. :up:

2nd EDIT: I fired it up about an hr ago. Yes, there's a leak, of course. I have the pump in a dish tub. Not sure whether it will shut things down or not. A little leak can add up to a lot of water over time, so we'll see.....going to check it again in another hr or so and see what the situation is........

3rd EDIT: Ok, I checked it a few minutes ago. Really hard to tell what the deal is going to be. I'll be gone 14-15 hrs tomorrow, so I guess I'll have to check it before I leave, get the built up water out and make a judgement call. I don't mind the tub filling up--I just don't want it overflowing onto the wood floor. I think it will be ok, but we'll see.....The PCs are up and running--have been since I turned the system back on.....fingers-crossed.....:up:

[meticadpa]

You could have just posted all your pics in one post.

[Naja002]

Just a quick video to show the actual water flow via trapped air through the tubing on this setup. This setup still has 2 PCs hooked up and has been running fine. Temps are still maintaining as previously posted. Q9450 @ 3.45 and an E8400 @ 4.1.

The setup does NOT run like it is shown in the video. The air is just to give a visual of the water flow. For some reason when I open gate valve #3--air starts traveling through the system. Gate valve #3 is just looped right back to the #3 output on the manifold--so I don't really understand why it does this, but it does....:yepp: Anyway, the flow in the video is actually reduced--because gate valve #3 is open--allowing a path of least resistance and all that. When I close gate valve #3--the flow to both PCs increases noticeably, so look at the video as less or reduced flow from what is normally going through the tubing:

Its a 1 min video that shows flow through both PCs. Audio has NO valve:




Again, the system does not run with air--that's just to show the flow for the video....:up:

[Livinstrong]

Originally Posted by meticadpa

You could have just posted all your pics in one post.

Well, you should split them up so each post isn't so long, but you don't need 9-10 reserved spots.

EDIT: Now I feel like a total idiot because he used up all the reserved spots.

[oobe]

there is an edit button...

[Naja002]

Just wanted to add an update/more info. :up:

I have 2 crunchers on this system: Q9450 @ 3.6 and Q9450 @ 3.5. I am waiting on some more ram and then I am hoping the 2nd Q will go to 3.6. This Ballistix garbage is just that: garbage. :down:

Got the Killawatt out:

Pump=55watts

Fans:
Low=25watts
Medium=36-37 watts
High=50watts

That's x2, of course.

Here's a current screenshot of the Q at 3.6--fans on Low=50watts:



The temps drop 3-4C by switching the fans up to Medium(=36-37watts x2).

These rigs are crunching WCG 24/7 and 1 rig has an 8800GT crunching F@H. The 8800GT is not currently WCed. I bought a block, but it arrived cracked, so its on rma at the moment. Once I get a useable block--the GT is being added to this system.


I've decided to modify my manifold and add a 2nd car radiator--a smaller one. This one will go inside here and be used during the cooler/winter months. I will deign the manifold so that I will only need to turn 1-3 ball valves (not sure yet) in order to switch from one rad to the other. This will give me convenient seasonal control: I can pump all the heat outside during warmer months (helping with the A/C) and pump all the heat inside during the cooler months (helping with the heat). :up: And I will be able to do this with the turn of a valve or 3. :up:

Expected Cost Guesstimate:

Car Rad: Less than $100 Shipped
Pump: ~$100, if needed--I may figure out a work-around.
PVC: $20, probably less
Gate Valves x3: ~$27, should have already been incorporated.

No doubt there will be some misc costs--nothing major though. I've put a little thought into this already, but have not sat down to think it through yet. I really enjoy pumping all the heat outside! :up: Plus the dual fans on Low really help cool the out-building! :yepp: So, I might as well set things up to help with the heating bill this winter--instead of just heating the neighborhood! Currently using about 500watts on these crunchers--might as well keep it inside when its cold out! :up:

Also, by setting this up for convenience (turn some ball valves) I will still be able to play with it all winter and see how the low outside temps effect things! :up:

I'll update this when I get it done--Yes, with Pictures! :up:


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Qiuck update:

Added another cruncher, so now there are 2x Q9450 and 1x Q6600 on this WCing system--all @ 3.57. Fans on low. Weather has been much cooler than normal here. High of ~73F/23C yesterday and ~76F/24C today, So I am going to have to wait a bit for warmer weather in order to post "Warm-Weather SS". Here are some from Cooler Weather:

Q9450:



Q9450:



Q6600:




The WBs arrive today, so I will be adding 3x G92 GPUs to the system over the next week or so, and then a 4th G92 GPU in a couple weeks or so.

Picked up the 3x Gate Valves in order to isolate each setup from the system--just need to get them installed.

Going to start working on the "Winter Rad" setup shortly. :up:

[Tainok]

Wow you really need this many reserved posts? Are you going to be posting ~500 pictures or something?

[Naja002]

Warmer weather update:

1x Q9450 @ 3.58
1x 8800GT @ 711/1777/999 (now @ 744/1854/1033)




1x Q9450 @ 3.58
1x 8800GS currently on air @ 744/1854/1033




1x Q6600 @ 3.57
2x 8800GS @ 737/1842/996 (now @ 784/1960/1021 and 725/1812/993)

[Naja002]

The Seasonal Manifold

As mentioned in post #76, I plan on making this WCing system "Seasonal"...meaning that I can pump the heat outside during the summer/warmer periods and pump it inside during the winter/cooler periods. But it has to be convenient. Come October I expect to be turning valves for the cooler nights and warmer days. :up:

So here is the new Manifold:



There will be another car rad, located inside here with me, attached to the 2 straight barbs on the right end of the manifold. I also added another set of gate valves for, uh, "Future Reference"...yeah, that's it--Future Reference!


For warmer weather the valves will be set as below in order to pump the heat outside:




For cooler weather I will set the valves as below in order to pump the heat inside:




For winter play I can set the valves as above for summer or below for a "Mix" to check out different things and/or avoid condensation:



I should have used gate valves, but ball valves are what I grabbed. Either way, ball valves allow for reasonable adjustment.


I decided to add a drain port to this manifold:



With all of the Isolation abilities here, I thought it might come in handy. I expect to change the plug to a barb and a shut-off valve of some kind in the future. Right now, the plug will do.


Having the Good Luck that I do....(can You spell: M-u-r-p-h-y)....I managed to crack one of the pvc Tees while screwing in the last gate valve. No, I didn't do anything wrong or even different--I did this same thing 6x on the last manifold and 7x on this one....this last one just cracked! :down: So, I did what I always do and tried to "fix" it. Some pvc glue and good clamp and a bit of time:









Of course there was a small leak. Nothing major....after a couple of hrs sitting and a few more hrs with the manifold installed and operational--its managed to seal itself. Hopefully it will stay that way! Yes, the clamp is a permanent fixture! :yepp:


Here it is installed and operational:








I've been trying to decide which pump to get for this interior part of the system. The vertical head is only ~4-4.5'. But I do need flow also. I am looking very hard at the Eheim 1260. The 1262 is unnecessary, and I think the 1250 will be too small. Sadly, the 1250 and below are what most folks use for PCs and aquariums--so, there really are not many 1260's available used at a good price. A new one is ~$120 + shipping and, Ya know, that just kinda breaks my heart to pay that much. : Yes, I probably will break-weak and get the Eheim, but the Mag 7 @ ~$75 is looking awfully tempting! :yepp: They are both powerful, reliable pumps.....but the Eheims are just Good stuff and quiet too. I've got some time, so we'll see what happens....:up:


Finally, I purchased the car rad that will be used in here. It should be here Thurs. 9/11. I'll put up some pix, specs, etc. once its here......:up: