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wolf_08 · 06-08-08

Try Freebsd. I heard it has the best uptimes.

lattyware · 06-09-08

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Originally Posted by stupid

Not trying to incite a flame war, but .Net is likely the most powerful and universal library out there. The same languages (C# or VB[blech]) can be used for both desktop applications or web applications. The language itself is very easy to learn, but extremely powerful. The most useful IMO. Compared to php (I developed in php for about 4 years) you can get things done in half the time with half the code. The library is just that much larger and more capable.

For example, with the new LINQ architecture I can connect to a database and return a stored query with 7 words in code. The library is so well and constantly developed. There will always be MS hate (hell, I hate them a lot of the time too), but they really got the .Net framework right.

The only downside to asp.net [in my eyes] is that you are tied to a Windows server which everyone here has already gotten their hate out about. There is a Linux .Net framework called Mono (mono-project.com I think) that can do a lot, but it is not fully featured and a little behindso I don't recommend it.

ROR is fast [to develop in], but not as flexible (on rails...) and php is flexible but not that fast. I know that is just two, but most can be grouped in to one or another category.

Bottomline, ease and flexibilty are the advantages to .Net

Ok everyone, flame away

[NOTE: I want to make it clear, I am in no way bashing *nix servers, they are great and completely capable. But I am a strong proponent for .Net architecture in web development. And yes, I have extensive experience in both side of this.]

I'm sorry, but I hate .net, it's just not a nice platform. I think it really does depend on the developer. At the end of the day, a LAMP server (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP) is a more common setup, it's cheaper, and Linux really is a better server platform (again, some people dispute it, but most people would agree with me here).

I guess my main reason is I hate being tied to a M$ server, - not to mention a proprietary language which may change, end support, etc... PHP is open source, and therefore more reliable on that front. Also, I like developing in PHP. It is a nice language, in my opinion.

In any case, I say for this, a Linux server is the way to go.

**BFRD** · 06-09-08

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Originally Posted by lattyware

I'm sorry, but I hate .net, it's just not a nice platform. I think it really does depend on the developer. At the end of the day, a LAMP server (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP) is a more common setup, it's cheaper, and Linux really is a better server platform (again, some people dispute it, but most people would agree with me here).

I guess my main reason is I hate being tied to a M$ server, - not to mention a proprietary language which may change, end support, etc... PHP is open source, and therefore more reliable on that front. Also, I like developing in PHP. It is a nice language, in my opinion.

In any case, I say for this, a Linux server is the way to go.

I think your self-confessed bias is at play here. I use both linux and windows servers. .NET may have some flaws, but it is a very nice platform. Applications can be built very quickly leveraging the framework to handle most of the load. Web applications can be prototyped in desktop applications using classes and then simply copy the class over to a website, write a quick wrapper and you are done. I love my linux server for what it does, but I have to develop something, it can be done quicker in .net than php. Granted that I am a little rusty with php, it isn't completely foriegn; but not as quick to develop with.

lattyware · 06-09-08

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Originally Posted by BFRD

I think your self-confessed bias is at play here. I use both linux and windows servers. .NET may have some flaws, but it is a very nice platform. Applications can be built very quickly leveraging the framework to handle most of the load. Web applications can be prototyped in desktop applications using classes and then simply copy the class over to a website, write a quick wrapper and you are done. I love my linux server for what it does, but I have to develop something, it can be done quicker in .net than php. Granted that I am a little rusty with php, it isn't completely foriegn; but not as quick to develop with.

Well, what works for you.

Of course, I want to see my goal of world Linux domination through (so the software/hardware developers support us T_T)!

*dangerousHobo* · 06-09-08

Ruby on Rails (RoR) has rapidly become my favorite. Just like any other framework there are things some people don't like, but it's open source and cross-platform.

metala · 06-11-08

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Originally Posted by wolf_08

Try Freebsd. I heard it has the best uptimes.

My Debian Etch r1 server has uptime ~ 30 days.
After 30 days my Maxtor HDD overheats and some find processes become zombies. And the server CPU is 50% utilized all the time. Hosts 10 sites, and plays 6 internet radio stations.

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Originally Posted by lattyware

I'm sorry, but I hate .net, it's just not a nice platform. I think it really does depend on the developer. At the end of the day, a LAMP server (Linux, Apache, mySQL, PHP) is a more common setup, it's cheaper, and Linux really is a better server platform (again, some people dispute it, but most people would agree with me here).

LAMP is like *Ubuntu - too user friendly to be server.
You know.. servers should not be easy to maintain, because there will be no work for the server administrators.

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Originally Posted by BFRD

I think your self-confessed bias is at play here. I use both linux and windows servers. .NET may have some flaws, but it is a very nice platform. Applications can be built very quickly leveraging the framework to handle most of the load. Web applications can be prototyped in desktop applications using classes and then simply copy the class over to a website, write a quick wrapper and you are done. I love my linux server for what it does, but I have to develop something, it can be done quicker in .net than php. Granted that I am a little rusty with php, it isn't completely foriegn; but not as quick to develop with.

As of my experience, I'm not very pleased with Windows servers...
Moreover my brother told me about a Windows 2003 server that started to kill its own services. The reason for that is when Windows opens a connection it usually starts from 1024 and increments by 1. When it reaches 65535 it goes back to 1, and increments again. When it reaches 21 it kills the FTP server, when it reaches 80 kills the web server :P

About the programming in PHP. I would say that it is very easy to learn, but to be a good PHP developer you have to develop yourself. Knowing the syntax and common constructions that are similar to C can help you in the learning, but they actually draw you back. The power of PHP is the integrated(internal) functions and the classes (OOP). If you write the algorithm like in C you lose time in writing, you write a lot of code, which later is hard to manage.
Zend Framework is something I'd try soon, it seems It is the answer to .NET.

stupid · 06-11-08

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Originally Posted by metala

The power of PHP is the integrated(internal) functions and the classes (OOP). If you write the algorithm like in C you lose time in writing, you write a lot of code, which later is hard to manage.
Zend Framework is something I'd try soon, it seems It is the answer to .NET.

Hehe... I think you are confused. You would never write C on a Windows server, you might write C# or C++, but that is completely different. In fact, the power of .Net is the functions and classes which are likely the most advanced in any web scripting language (yes, I have spent 4 years in php).

lattyware · 06-12-08

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Originally Posted by stupid

Hehe... I think you are confused. You would never write C on a Windows server, you might write C# or C++, but that is completely different. In fact, the power of .Net is the functions and classes which are likely the most advanced in any web scripting language (yes, I have spent 4 years in php).

You totally misinterpreted what he was saying, and what you said was wrong in places too.

stupid · 06-12-08

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Originally Posted by lattyware

You totally misinterpreted what he was saying, and what you said was wrong in places too.

Please explain.

metala · 06-12-08

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Originally Posted by stupid

Please explain.

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If you write the algorithm like in C you lose time in writing

The word like has very important meaning in the whole sentence.

The idea is
C like PHP code

PHP Code:


			
for ($i = count($array); $i>=0; $i--){
$array_new[] = $array[$i];
}
$array = $array_new;

How it should be

PHP Code:


			
$array = array_reverse($array);

The result: the C like example cannot work with associative arrays, but both of them have one and the same result.
The difference: less code, more readable, less CPU time for executing the code.
In PHP you don't really need to write the algorithm on your own, you just have to use the functions made for that. There are many functions integrated classes and other things that make you programming better, faster, and more readable.

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