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Personally, I feel that something as misleading as this should be shown. I agree, as mentioned earlier in the thread, that the best method was probably not posting on OCN but that something should have been done regardless. There was some pretty sketchy stuff in that training.

I also think that people are correct in stating that Linux may not be for the average user. But I definitely do not feel agree that it gives them the right to spread misconceptions and barriers about Linux.

Anyway, that is what I am inclined to think.

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burlingk

I saw very little that was true from my experience, ESPECIALLY given their examples.

Ubuntu is very easy to update, and manages to do it much the same way that Windows does.

World of Warcraft just happens to be the one game that the Wine and Cedaga communities drop everything for to make sure they can keep it compatible.

Getting free support for Linux is rarely hard. Getting corporate support is often times even easier if you are in a customer category that would use it.

I am not a fanboy. I use Linux and Vista at the moment, and am considering the upgrade to Windows 7. That does not mean that I have to drink the coolaid though. ^_^

Edit: I know this will upset a few people, but those of you who bring up the argument that "If a driver is not their, you can just compile it yourself," are missing the point just as much as the guys that did this slide show. Ok, maybe not quite that badly, but still.

The "Average user" is not going to have clue one about compiling their own. ^^

Rocker delMaL

enough said!

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Gill..

Unfortunately, I will have to recant/revise my earlier statement in regards to upgrades.

Updates are easy..

Upgrades are not. 9.04 to 9.10 was a complete and utter failure/disaster for me. It completely broke my instance - and I've tried repairs multiple times. My other instance running 9.04 WILL NOT BE UPGRADED.

I was sorely disappointed with the turn of events... and it has not deterred me from Linux completely.

But after installing 9.11 CCC drivers in my 9.04 instance last night, and not having it work right, again (took me months to get it working right in the first instance of Ubuntu). And now the 9.10 complete debacle (which MANY others have said was also a disaster for them as well).

My 1.5 TB Seagate will now be completely wiped. My Ubuntu 9.04 will live still in my External drive - never to see 9.10..

Wiped drive will eventually get Windows 7 for the primary partition, and likely - no other instances of Linux will go on that drive ever again.

Point is..with Windows 7 release, they had a great opportunity to offer a great alternative in Ubuntu 9.10 - and it still might be for anyone who didn't have an existing instance.

But I've heard issues like mine were because they screwed with GRUB. Grub still has my 350 GB Hitachi boot sector still screwed - and that never saw an instance on that hard drive EVER.

And now with 9.10 - GRUB issue has come to a head. In the meantime, I updated 9.04 - and my GRUB on that drive is WICKED finicky - sometimes taking up to 5 boots before going to the GRUB menu.

So they still have some work to do before they can play with the big boys.

My other advice to them - if you put the "Upgrade" button prominently on your update button.... and want people to upgrade... MAKE SURE THE THING WORKS and is FOOL PROOF!!

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One thing about viruses tho, is that its less common that viruses are written for linux users apposed to windows users. But again, since linux is found on less computers, the overall quota of viruses for linux will be less as well. Just think of it on a linear scale:

If 1 percent of all computers get a virus then it would be like so:

10,000 windows computers = 100 computers with a virus
1000 linux computers = 10 computers with a virus

Of course, thats hypothetical. On top of that, majority of the people who use linux are pretty software savvy and know how to keep viruses out of their system.

GodofGrunts

Your logic is incorrect. Go read up on how Unix like systems are built. It is almost impossible (if not impossible) for viruses to written for Unix-like systems.

Other Malware is possible, but not so much for viruses.

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If you told someone 20 years ago that you had 4 gigabytes of RAM, ran at a resolution of 1920x1200, could store thousands of full length movies and CD quality music on your PC, and that even your network speed was magnitudes faster than their L2 cache, they'd laugh at you and say it was impossible.

Besides, they already have a trojan for OSX, so there goes your whole theory.

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GodofGrunts

Again, your logic is still incorrect.

Unix and Unix-like systems have been around since the 70's. They run most major websites. The market is HUGE for virus creators. Still, no viruses have been successfully written for them.

In case you're unaware. A Trojan is a malicious program that looks like a useful program. If I wrote a program that ran , but I made the user believe that they were installing a game, I just wrote a Trojan and not a virus.

lrn2malware.

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Manyak

No, a Trojan is simply something that leaves a back door into the system for the hacker to get through (sometimes to the entire system or parts of it, and sometimes it's just a program that responds to a certain request like for a botnet). Yes it normally looks like a useful program, but not always. And it is considered a type of Virus.

What you wrote right there isn't a Trojan because it doesn't give you access to anything.

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kwint

Well people don't really write viruses/trojans for linux anyway. Its just less common altogether.

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