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Warning - This is merely a homely analysis, only expressing some benchmarks. Do not be offended or offend.

Intro


This review follows on from numerous discussions about what is the best option, FX 8320/50 or 3570K (4670k), seeking to offer a reliable and homely analysis, far from any economic pressure, which as we know, often is exerted on the best known "reviewrs".

It´s important to understand the characteristics of the companies when we analyze both material´s, AMD is tiny compared with Intel, the Intel budget just for ID, is probably three times the total annual budget of AMD, AMD is slightly larger than the Nvidia .

Therefore, we have to take into account this aspect to moderate the demands / expectations.

The tradition has almost always been, Intel with top machines and top price matching and AMD looking to be strong on price / performance market.

With the arrival of 1150, very little has changed in terms of performance, so, this analysis remains valid to compare the replacement of 3570K, 4670k, since the differences between them aren’t many.

The systems under consideration are composed:

Intel:

I5 3570k;
MSI Z77 GD65;
8GB 1866mhz;
7950/6970;
SSD OCZ Vertex 2 RAID0;
Bequiet DRP2.

AMD:

FX8320;
GA 970A-UD3;
8GB 1866mhz;
7950/6970;
SSD OCZ Vertex 2 RAID0;
Bequiet DRP2.

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Price VS


Both systems well composed and ready for OC:


1155

I5 4670k + MSI Z87 G43

360 USD


AMD3+:

FX 8320 + GA 970a UD3/Asus M5A97 R2.0

250 USD

(newegg prices)

So we are talking about a difference of 100 USD.

It is enough for a greater graphic´s card / SSD and so on.


Overclock


Intel:

Configure the Intel platform is very simple , everything follows the " Plug and Play "logic.

Essentially, the symbol K , identifies the processor with unlocked multiplier , so simply and roughly:
  • switch multi to the desired speed;
  • Disable Turbo and energy saving options;
  • Increase Cpu Core Voltage; System Agent Voltage e Cpu PLL;
  • Memory, plug and play logic again if they have XMP.

No tricks , simple and effective , the settings used in OC 4500mhz :

Cpu Ratio - x45;
Cpu Core Voltage - 1.19:
Cpu Pll - 1.6
Cpu I/o - 0.95;
System Agent Voltage – 0.925

An Overclock of this kind requires proper cooling , tapping the need for an investment of around 35-40usd.

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AMD:


After a few minutes of analysis, it comes to mind that we are in the presence of a more hardcore platform, the settings are not as easy neither the results, although everything works quite well.

The FX are all unlocked, however, for OC, it’s not just change the multi, "et voila".

You need to find the balance between CPU multi and Bus Frequency, by just changing the multi, it may be required higher voltage for the desired speed than combining multi + Bus, reminds me of the 1366 platform.

Therefore, it is necessary to change:
  • Cpu Multi;
  • Cpu Bus Speed (200-230);
  • Cpu Vid (até 1.55);
  • Cpu NB Vid (até 1.35);
  • Cpu Pll + ;
  • DDR Vtt + ;
  • Amd cool and quiet; Amd APM; AMD C6/C1E – disable .

Settings used OC 4500mhz:

Cpu Multi 21x
Cpu Bus Speed 215
Cpu Vid 1.5
Cpu NB Vid 1.3
Cpu Pll + 0.10
DDR Vtt + 0.05

4500mhz seems to me the best compromise and what can be expected with a medium range cooler.

Summarizing the steps to OC:

1) increase the multi to realize the maximum stable mhz with stock voltage;
2) finding the maximum point, increasing the bus speed to understand the effect beyond MHZ achieved only by growing multi;
3) Balance found , increase various voltages and repeat the process (multi + + Bus)

Take into account that, from a certain point, it will be beneficial to maintain the lowest multi, increasing only the CPU Bus

The temperatures should not pass the 72 at core.

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4500mhz OC temps



Prime95:

Intel 1.211 vcore - 58º

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AMD 1.512 vcore - 49º

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Vo data RAID0


One of the most criticized aspects on AMD platform is the RAID 0 performance.


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Intel

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AMD

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Synthetic Benchmarks VS


4500mhz vs 4500mhz

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AMD
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Intel
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Part 1 regarding general information and synthetic tests completed.

The objective of this analysis is not to influence someone, so every party should analyze the data provided and realize for yourself the differences between the two platforms and especially if the differences outweigh the investment.

In analyzing more attention was given to comparing 4.5 vs 4.5 in order to avoid biased accusations, however, there is a need to warn that especially in the new Haswell Cpus Overlock the 4500mhz one is tougher to achieve than on the platform 1155.

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Part 2

Gaming VS

4500mhz vs 4500mhz

All bench´s at 1080p.

With integrated benchmark:

Arma 3
Ultra
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Crysis I

Maxed out
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Crysis 2

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Grid 2

Maxed out

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Hitman Absolution

High

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Just Cause 2

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Mafia 2

Bench stock

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Metro Last Light

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Resident Evil 6

Maxed out

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Rome2
High
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Sleeping Dogs

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Sniper Elive V2

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Stalker: Call of Pripyat
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Without benchmark Integrated:

Assetto Corsa
Maxed out

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Battlefield 4

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Crysis 3

Medium
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FarCry 3(incoming)
Lost Planet 3

Maxed out

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Red Orchestra 2 / Rising Storm

Maxed out

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Sniper Ghost Warrior 2

High

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War of the Roses
High

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Finished.

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Very well done. Really shows how overkill most CPUs really are right now.

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CPU
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Motherboard
Asus Crosshair VIII Hero
GPU
Gigabyte GTX 1080Ti
RAM
2x8GB G.Skill Trident-Z 3200MHz
Hard Drive
ADATA SX8000 512GB
Hard Drive
Samsung 970 EVO 500GB
Power Supply
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Case
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Operating System
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Monitor
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Audio
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CPU
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Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-X79S-UP5-WIFI
GPU
MSI GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
RAM
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1866MHz
Hard Drive
512GB ADATA SX6000
Power Supply
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Operating System
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only bad part about the 8320 is the power consumption otherwise it's a very good chip especially for the price

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CPU
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Motherboard
GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-OC
GPU
MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti GAMING X 11G
RAM
Samsung 16GB MV-3V4G3D/US 1600 7-8-8-24-1T 1.55v atm
Hard Drive
Samsung 850 Evo 500GB SSD
Hard Drive
1TB Samsung F3
Power Supply
Enermax EMR1500EWT
Cooling
Hyper 212 Evo
Case
Fractal Design Define S with window
Operating System
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
Monitor
BenQ XL2411Z 24' 144hz, 1080p
Monitor
Asus MS238H 23inch 2ms 1920x1080
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Mouse
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The only thing I noticed, and excuse my ignorance if it isn't always the case, is that the Graphics scores using 3DMark should be the same right, thru all the tests. The CPU scores should be different, usually in favor of Intel. But seems if the GPUs are equally clocked the scores should be the same or relatively close. I just noticed on a random part here and there they differ and in 3DMark13 Firestrike, the first test has a huge difference in scores for the GPU.


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I found that to be strange as well.

But even if i run again with a diferent graphics card, despite i get the same Firestrike score, it will show much lower Icestorm with AMD platform.

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Nice info. Haven't realized that asseto corsa is so well threaded that FX would lead there. Also what happened with mafia 2?

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Merely the test result, i don´t know if anyone is getting the same kind of results at Mafia, but i would like to know thumb.gif

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Good work here chap.

Some useful indicators for people who are trying to weigh up the options of a gaming build!

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Great work, helped me decide my next build!
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