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post #881 of 19178 (permalink) Old 03-03-2017, 12:14 PM
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First i am speaking for the 1700 (because that is the only chip people should be buying).

And i would be willing to bet a lot of money.

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The crosshair does look nice ill give you that, but 150 dollars nice? Nah lol.

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Why are people spending so much on motherboard? That completely negates the savings you are getting from the 1700. These chips dont need much in terms of VRM's, in fact i bet you money you can get the same clocks on b350 boards.

i plan to overclock this chip and i rather go with something that has been tried and tested in the reviews/and by forum members.. what you are saying maybe right and the B350 boards might just have the same overclock.. but i couldn't risk it as here in india i would have a tougher time sending the board back for a refund and then buying what i initially wanted. and it just looks like a solid board from asus. the asrock ones arent even available here.. only the MSI tomahawk (didnt want this) / Gigabyte Auros Gaming 5 is but is even more expensive the the asus one locally by about 20$

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i plan to overclock this chip and i rather go with something that has been tried and tested in the reviews/and by forum members.. what you are saying maybe right and the B350 boards might just have the same overclock.. but i couldn't risk it as here in india i would have a tougher time sending the board back for a refund and then buying what i initially wanted. and it just looks like a solid board from asus.

Makes sense, i am lucky enough to be fairly close to a microcenter. Gonna wait a few more days to confirm, but my intuitions tell me b350 is enough to get a ~3.9ghz OC for the 1700 on all cores, which seems to be about the norm.

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Why are people spending so much on motherboard? That completely negates the savings you are getting from the 1700. These chips dont need much in terms of VRM's, in fact i bet you money you can get the same clocks on b350 boards.

First, let me say that i never bought a motherboard that costed over 80 EUR, except for 1 in socket A and it was semi-defective (ASUS). But i also always buy 2 cheap motherboards, instead of 1 expensive, so that i have a spare. Now to your question. B350 motherboards may or may not be able to overclock to 4Ghz, depending on their VRM quality. I am no prophet, but i will use these:






^ This power consumption wattage, to me seems too low, cause my undervolted [email protected], draws 220W in Prime95. BUT, it shows that Ryzen consumption, is on par with FX8370. Either way you cut it.

So, in practice, a stock 1800X, draws the same power as an [email protected] Meaning, a Ryzen overclocked to 4Ghz, will draw more. Going by AM3+, you don't want 4 phase VRM for Ryzen 95W. Some motherboards will run them, some with poor VRM may throttle, but, you certainly want more than 4 phases for CPU. Cause with 4 phases, the VRM will be getting very hot, you may have to add active cooling. Those who buy the expensive motherboards won't have to. To go beyond 3.8Ghz, this problem will only become worse. So, it's not just about whether you CAN go to 4Ghz, but also, how easily and on what temperatures on your VRM. My Asrock 970 Extreme3, which is 4 (mediocre) phases, can get an FX to 4Ghz, but, when i measured the back of the motherboard at the VRM area with IR thermometer, temp was at 95C. So i added active cooling both on VRM and on the back, to bring it down to about 80C if i remember. If you get an AM4 x370, you will simply not have to worry about these things. Plus, you pay for extra ports, lights, bells and whistles.

EDIT: P.S: I don't even remember what VRM most B350 motherboards have as phase count and even more, i don't know how much amperage each phase gives. But if it's anything like the phases of AM3+, you want either a GOOD 4 phase at least or better, MORE. To avoid heat issues. On the other hand, if one intends to stick to 1700 stock speeds, i don't see there will be any problem.

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Why are people spending so much on motherboard? That completely negates the savings you are getting from the 1700. These chips dont need much in terms of VRM's, in fact i bet you money you can get the same clocks on b350 boards.

The premium mid-range and up boards simply have better VRM components. Better rated mosfets that support higher amperage at temperature limits will provide cleaner power delivery and the more expensive boards should sustain boost clocks better than low end boards at stock settings let alone OC's. It's going to vary from board to board but I wouldn't expect the large majority of B350 boards to handle all core OC's very well; this all makes a lot of sense if Gibbo from OCUK was referencing B350 boards when he mentioned many of them couldn't sustain 3.8 on the R7's.

Just for everyones knowledge, if they haven't seen the VRM breakdown for the CH6 yet, it's a 4+2 phase board with doublers. The mosfets are also rated up to 40a @ 125c which is fantastic, all of the other components are pretty top notch, which shouldn't be a surprise. This also leads me to believe that the Gigabyte G5, Gigabyte K7, and Titanium will be running 6+2 or more likely 3+2 with doublers.

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Please read people, i am talking ONLY about the 1700 (aka the only chip worth spending money on). No one should be even touching voltages on these chips its pointless, every single 1700 ive seen OC'd to the ~3.9ghz range has done it on stock volts, in jokers video it didnt go over 60c on the noctua air cooler he got sent in the press kit.

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Why do i believe this to be true you ask?

I have this motherboard from early sandy days:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138298

I spent FORTY DOLLARS on it from microcenter 6 years ago, it was the cheapest OC able board you could get for sandy. Even tho i run my chip daily at 1.3v, this board is absolutely stable with 1.45v and a 4.9ghz overclock. If you compare the VRM's on this board to a b350, b350's look similar or even beefier.

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When I knew I wanted to go to LGA1150, I bought an ASrock Z97 Extreme4 and a G3258 as a "placeholder" while I saved the $ for a 4690K down the road. I specifically got a high-end Z97 for its feature set (lots of USB and SATA3 ports) as well as its upgradability.

Unsurprised the same would be true of X370 buyers today.
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