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post #3931 of 3951 (permalink) Old 06-30-2020, 01:06 PM
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It's based on the physical amp rating of the physical components on the board by people looking up the manufacturer's power rating of the mosfets and VRM chips (published whitepapers), and the layout / configuration of the entire VRM design. Different AMD boards have different VRM designs and not all of them can handle all processors safely. Just because something is X470 and AM4 doesn't mean it can automatically handle everything.
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Don't believe everything you read online.
I'm guessing you also think that B350 motherboards can handle a stock speed 3950X too.
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That spreadsheet is just like the LTT motherboard tier list. Rather pointless. There is no data to back up your claim. I can show you that my board can handle a 3900X just fine if you want.
By your logic tires on a car would be rather pointless, ink on a newspaper would be pointless, a screen on a smartphone would be pointless. Pretty baseless claims eh?

The list is really not that hard to read and does not take an electrical engineering degree to comprehend. Yes a 6 phase could handle a 2600x/3600(x) overclock, but it won't be comparable to a board with a better vrm. I've fried many cheap low tier motherboards by overloading the vrms with too much current, and that was with rather low voltages like 1.35-1.4v which is well withing spec of AMD and Intel CPU's for the last 10 years. Though i could see how the list would be rather pointless to someone who doesn't understand basic electrical currents on integrated circuitry. At least back up your claims before making false statements.

Lastly, not everyone needs a super op board with an overkill vrm, I'm not saying they do, if you run the chip at stock it'll be fine, but if you want to run the chip at its absolute max potential without worry of killing something, you might wanna invest in something more than a bottom end board with basic components. Even top tier B450 boards are better than low to midrange X470 and X570 boards in terms of build quality.

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I'm guessing you also think that B350 motherboards can handle a stock speed 3950X too.

I think a lot of them could quiet easily, I'm using a b350 board with my 3600.
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By your logic tires on a car would be rather pointless, ink on a newspaper would be pointless, a screen on a smartphone would be pointless. Pretty baseless claims eh?

The list is really not that hard to read and does not take an electrical engineering degree to comprehend. Yes a 6 phase could handle a 2600x/3600(x) overclock, but it won't be comparable to a board with a better vrm. I've fried many cheap low tier motherboards by overloading the vrms with too much current, and that was with rather low voltages like 1.35-1.4v which is well withing spec of AMD and Intel CPU's for the last 10 years. Though i could see how the list would be rather pointless to someone who doesn't understand basic electrical currents on integrated circuitry. At least back up your claims before making false statements.

Lastly, not everyone needs a super op board with an overkill vrm, I'm not saying they do, if you run the chip at stock it'll be fine, but if you want to run the chip at its absolute max potential without worry of killing something, you might wanna invest in something more than a bottom end board with basic components. Even top tier B450 boards are better than low to midrange X470 and X570 boards in terms of build quality.
Amateur overclocker who has fried stuff tries to tell expert overclocker about current ratings and VRM designs. Riiiight...

My VRM temperature never went higher than 60 degrees when pulling ~130A, which is more than a stock 3900X. Of course my board can handle even an overclocked 3950X. The temp's gonna reach 80 degrees or something but that's still well within spec. It's all about having good case airflow.

Your list is not that accurate. Take the B450 Tomahawk which supposedly can handle up to 200A "with major airflow" whereas my X470 board which uses the exact same VRM design cannot. Oh, really? I wonder about that.

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I'm guessing you also think that B350 motherboards can handle a stock speed 3950X too.
Who even mentioned B350?

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Amateur overclocker who has fried stuff tries to tell expert overclocker about current ratings and VRM designs. Riiiight...
Says the person who doesn't even know what a vrm is for.

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Your list is not that accurate. Take the B450 Tomahawk which supposedly can handle up to 200A "with major airflow" whereas my X470 board which uses the exact same VRM design cannot. Oh, really? I wonder about that.
I sat here with a IR thermometer aimed at the VRM section on the surface of the motherboard registering 85c in the VRM section with good airflow in a big case (Corsair 780T) with a Ryzen 5 2600 @ 1.425v @ 4.2 Ghz all core in X470 Gaming Plus motherboard while crunching video editing in handbrake. I saw it with my own eyes. I was -NOT USING SOFTWARE-.
I now have this X370 Taichi board and I can meter around on the VRM's under the exact same chip, OC and load and it registers 50c.
I know what I saw and I'm tired of this childish BS of you now repeatedly calling me a liar. Enough is enough.

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IR thermometers accuracy is effected by reflectiveness of the surfaces nearby.. if you want a decently accurate gauge of relative vrm temps use it on the back side of the board on the pcb and find the hottest spot. I don't doubt the results much though, the Max boards are good but the discreet mosfets are a lot less efficient.

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IR thermometers accuracy is effected by reflectiveness of the surfaces nearby.. if you want a decently accurate gauge of relative vrm temps use it on the back side of the board on the pcb and find the hottest spot. I don't doubt the results much though, the Max boards are good but the discreet mosfets are a lot less efficient.
IR thermometer is good enough for a quick check while under load. I know it's not perfect but I'm not taking the board out and mounting a probe on the back of it just to check temps. I'm not that overly concerned with it. I just wanted to check real fast to see if it's overheating or not. Software was reading 80c, IR Thermometer read 85c, close enough for me.
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