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I tried this yesterday and got worse performance. It was like the system was running with high overhead and lagged.



When I had problems with IBT AVX hanging it was a memory problem and a latency problem. Tuning got the ram stable and running Latency Monitor found the driver conflicts that were causing the lag.

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I tried this yesterday and got worse performance. It was like the system was running with high overhead and lagged.

When I had problems with IBT AVX hanging it was a memory problem and a latency problem. Tuning got the ram stable and running Latency Monitor found the driver conflicts that were causing the lag.

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By "this" do you mean affinity or Process Lasso or what?

There are no driver conflicts on my system. I have the stuff I don't use disabled in the BIOS (including the onboard sound), and I never install the manufacturer bloatware/programs. As soon as I installed Process Lasso the short freezes in stress test programs disappeared entirely.

My RAM is stable according to a 10,000% coverage test with no errors in RAM Test. I'm just using the regular XMP settings.

The only time I had worse performance with Process Lasso is when I tried to limit a game to eight cores (I have a 1950X). Titanfall 2 didn't like that at all -- it would bog down using 100% on all eight cores. But when I set the affinity to Single Thread Performance Mode (uses only the 16 even-numbered cores which are the real cores) in Process Lasso it works quite well. I set all of my games to that now and haven't had any issues.

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I actually tried both. One then the other.



The driver conflicts I got were in the AMD video drivers as they always install their sound drivers too. There were also conflicts involving usb drivers. After that was cured the hang in IBT AVX went away. My OS is a normal 2 1/2 year old system that is full of the everyday bloatware that Joe Sixpack uses, not a stripped down special system.



I only tested my ram to 400% as the experts said that was sufficient.


With Project Lasso installed it was laggy with many hangups. Dunno why as cpu loads did not go up. Affinity was maybe a little better with less cpu use but has to be set before every session. I tried disabling SMT last summer and didn't notice any difference in games.

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Noob question incoming..... how did you resolve your driver issues? disabling?

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Quote: Originally Posted by miklkit View Post
I actually tried both. One then the other.



The driver conflicts I got were in the AMD video drivers as they always install their sound drivers too. There were also conflicts involving usb drivers. After that was cured the hang in IBT AVX went away. My OS is a normal 2 1/2 year old system that is full of the everyday bloatware that Joe Sixpack uses, not a stripped down special system.



I only tested my ram to 400% as the experts said that was sufficient.


With Project Lasso installed it was laggy with many hangups. Dunno why as cpu loads did not go up. Affinity was maybe a little better with less cpu use but has to be set before every session. I tried disabling SMT last summer and didn't notice any difference in games.
You should be able to just select custom install and unselect hdmi audio drivers when installing amd video drivers ( never do express install )

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I actually tried both. One then the other.



The driver conflicts I got were in the AMD video drivers as they always install their sound drivers too. There were also conflicts involving usb drivers. After that was cured the hang in IBT AVX went away. My OS is a normal 2 1/2 year old system that is full of the everyday bloatware that Joe Sixpack uses, not a stripped down special system.



I only tested my ram to 400% as the experts said that was sufficient.


With Project Lasso installed it was laggy with many hangups. Dunno why as cpu loads did not go up. Affinity was maybe a little better with less cpu use but has to be set before every session. I tried disabling SMT last summer and didn't notice any difference in games.

Honestly, it sounds like you'd REALLY benefit from a fresh install. That alone would probably fix more performance issues.

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Realtek and Nahimic Drivers game me awful gaming performance when I built my Ryzen 1700 system. Took me ages to figure it out. Uninstalled both and problem solved. Then reinstalled only Realtek and it's been fine since.

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Noob question incoming..... how did you resolve your driver issues? disabling?

It didn't matter if I selected custom install and left off the AMD audio drivers as they would later be installed by Macroshaft anyways. I had to go into Device Manager and manually disable the High Definition Audio Device there which leaves only the Sound Blaster stuff working.



I ran this OS for over 2 years on an FX @ 5ghz. When I updated to Zen I just pulled the HDs out of the FX and slipped them into the Zen and all is well. I have no plans to reinstall the OS. This way when people say that stress testing isn't needed and it's ok to reinstall the OS 2-3 times a year I can say: Ahem!



The game I tried Project Lasso on makes heavy use of a cache on the HD so I/O performance is critical. I can only guess that PL didn't help there and its overhead might have hurt.

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So I came upon this thread that gave out a really good alternative to process lasso. Project Mercury. Seems that it is an extremely lightweight version that is just an executable and not a installed program.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleRite/..._with_project/

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This is what Battlerite runs like for me out of the box (117 fps max) . The only things adjusted in Project Mercury are the recommended settings (asterisks) and with Auto multi-core optimizations. Auto mode is supposed to detect when an application doesn't benefit from SMT (or hyperthreading on intel) and disables the logical cores while the application is in focus. This is pretty set and forget because so far I haven't had anything have an issue with this config, and since Windows doesn't seem to always do a good job of load balancing on Ryzen while gaming and multi-tasking, the reduce priority of background stuff while increasing priority of foreground seems to keep stuff more smooth (don't go above "AboveNormal" or things can get bad). Especially if you're streaming or recording, you want to make sure your game isn't going to stutter.

I was testing with Game Mode in the newest version of Ryzen Master, the official Ryzen tool by AMD. Game mode disables the 2nd CCX, so it becomes a 4 core 8 thread cpu instead of an 8 core 16 thread. This might help for gaming, but will definitely be bad for multi-tasking, AND it requires a reboot so it's a major pain in the ass. Setting Project Mercury to these settings, most notably the "No CCX Switching" gave me the exact same results as the game mode thing, but also allows my streaming software and stuff to run in the 2nd CCX since it's still enabled, but it keeps Battlerite on the first CCX. You can manually do this stuff with something like Process Lasso, but Project Mercury handles this all nearly automatically and is super lightweight and if you use the configs I am it doesn't write any changes to Windows and can be turned on and off on the fly.

The performance enhancement is no joke. I am also running with Vsync enabled for gsync, so it's possible that I would have gone even higher than 143 fps since that's where my sync should be holding it anyway. I still did drop to 130 ish here and there, but on the previous settings where I capped out at 117 fps, it would drop to 100 fps as well.

In short, extremely easy and lightweight to use and can be a massive performance boost in games that aren't well threaded. Even games that can use four cores and 8 threads properly might still benefit from being locked to a CCX. For non-gaming, you can just toggle this stuff off quickly.

Disclaimer: I am using the donation version of Project Mercury, which is slightly newer, although the changelog implies that the performance for this application should be the same. I'm not affiliated with the project at all and am only sharing this information because Battlerite needs all the boosts to performance we can possibly give it.

P.S. my cpu is overclocked via precision overdrive so it's all handled automatically by the motherboard. It usually goes to 4.3 ghz.

P.P.S, the CCX feature is exclusively for the arcitecture of a Ryzen CPU, but the general features of Proj Merc can help the cpu priority for any game on any hardware, and if you have an i7 the SMT disabling feature can still help as virtual cores aren't as powerful as physical ones if programs don't utilize and recognize them properly.

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