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post #1571 of 1855 (permalink) Old 02-19-2019, 05:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nuzzi View Post
4.3 no oc..

I read that many of you have 4.1-4.2 when you oc dif settings.
I get 4.3 without tweaking anything..
Only thing i have some probs with are ram speeds. Stuck at 2900- 3200 with 3400 sticks.. but sure im getting it right at some point.

Back to the cpu.
A thing i tryed tweaking is..
-Multitrhead of.
-Precision boost on.
-2 cores parked

This gave me 10- 30 fps gained in Squad gameplay.
And with 4.1-4.3 and once i even saw it boost to 4.5. And its without oc,ecept for the tweaks i mentioned..

Looking forward to see the gameplay fps, when i get my ramspeed tweaked right😊

Are you saying you get 4.3Ghz with "optimal defaults" ie everything on AUTO except maybe the RAM? Or are you saying that you get 4.3Ghz with SMT turned off with 2 parked cores? Or are you saying you have SMT on, Precision Boost on and two parked cores? The differences between those three setups are substantial.



Most of the results people are posting here is with SMT enabled ie 8 cores and 16 threads. If I disable SMT and run with 8 cores and 8 threads I can hit 4.350Ghz on all cores for as long as I'm running that application using PE Level 2. If I use PE level 4 with SMT disabled I can run 4.4 - 4.5Ghz all core boost (seems to be application dependent for the boost clock ie some benchmarks won't push it past 4.4Ghz but on Prime 95 and Cinebench it will hit 4.5Ghz). With SMT enabled I can't run PE level 3 or 4 totally stable so I'm running level 2. I believe at level 2 it boost is limited to 4.250Ghz all core unless temps are insanely low, although up to 4 cores will boost to 4.350Ghz without issue.



The problem I personally have with this is I do a lot of rendering and video editing and the 8 additional threads with SMT enabled are far more effective than the additional 250Mhz I can get with only 8 threads (SMT disabled). Now of course for gaming, or in any case where extra treads won't matter for performance, then disabling SMT and using PE Level 4 is definitely the way to go. The thing is I haven't ever run into a game where this processor has felt sluggish and I'm always seeing really good FPS so my 24/7 settings are SMT enabled, PBO enabled and boosting the full 8 cores and 16 threads of this powerful processor to 4.250Ghz all core.


As for RAM the best thing for getting your RAM optimized on Ryzen is the Ryzen RAM calculator. Using that and a little advice from this forum I have my 3200Mhz B die running at 3400Mhz and really tight timings. Basically I used all the timings the RAM calculator gave me for the Fast preset @ 3200Mhz then just increased the speed to 3400Mhz and it worked perfectly. Optimizing the RAM gives the 2700X a huge bump in performance.

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post #1572 of 1855 (permalink) Old 02-20-2019, 12:42 AM
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Its with everything on default, its about the same with the tweaks i mentioned. (Without going into details, and only wathing ryzenmaster)
Squad is showing more fps cause of the core parked. The game handles cpu usage kind of odd. Not good on high core cpus.
At least thats my logig thinking.
The benchmarking tools have yet to be testet, if going in to more details. I only use the rig for gaming, but i will look into the th7ngs you mentionet..
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Quote: Originally Posted by teh n00binator View Post
A general Zen+ question, has anyone actually experienced any rapid degradation issues from setting their vcore at or above 1.38v?

Reason I'm asking is because I recently got piled with down votes on reddit for not automatically recognising that according to those on reddit, if you set beyond 1.38v on your Zen+ CPU will be dead in 3 months. Curious to what the source of this was, I decided to google a few forums and the only thing I could find is a type up by "The Stilt":

While that says there might be degradation, it doesn't really say anything like whether it's substantial or anything really solid other than "Only the good folks at AMD who have access to the simulation data will know for sure".

I'm just asking because I haven't really heard of Zen+ CPU's dropping left & right, and I've seen a few people even in this thread running 1.4v long term no trouble.

So is there any serious truth to this? Or is this another case like with Sandy Bridge where people were saying not to run beyond 1.4v when some were running up to 1.5v for like 5 years?
I don't overclock, but this may be of help:

Ryzen Generation 2, Safe/Unsafe Voltages Tested

My completely subjective opinion based on what i 've read about the FX, is that, some CPUs are tougher than others and some initially think their CPU will never degrade, only to find degradation after 1,2 years. It's a crapshoot, but if you intend to keep a CPU for long time, better not push it too hard. Just a hunch based on speculation, but the smaller the manufacturer process, the more sensitive to overvoltage the CPU becomes.

Oh, about 1 1/2 years ago, i remember reading about Intel CPUs having premature degradation. This was beautifully solved, by calling it "break in period". So, there! Let's call it break in and it's not degradation anymore!

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post #1574 of 1855 (permalink) Old 02-20-2019, 12:59 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nuzzi View Post
Its with everything on default, its about the same with the tweaks i mentioned. (Without going into details, and only wathing ryzenmaster)
Squad is showing more fps cause of the core parked. The game handles cpu usage kind of odd. Not good on high core cpus.
At least thats my logig thinking.
The benchmarking tools have yet to be testet, if going in to more details. I only use the rig for gaming, but i will look into the th7ngs you mentionet..

I had a discussion with another member here about disabling SMT and the possible advantages. After that I did more research on my own and also did some trial and error with it disabled. For my main purposes disabling SMT is like shooting myself in the foot. Some programs gave me better performance (basically Adobe based editors) but while rendering disabling SMT was a huge performance hit. I didn't want to change bios profiles a couple times in a day as I switched between applications so my 24/7 settings are with SMT enabled. As stated with SMT enabled the best I can do is 4.250Ghz across all cores, with SMT disabled I can hit a maximum of 4.5Ghz across all cores.


If your main or only purpose of your rig is gaming then disabling SMT could give you a good performance boost in most, but not all games. There are games like Ashes that will use a lot of threads but most aren't going to truly leverage more than 8. In gaming the higher frequencies that you can hit with SMT disabled will more than likely give you a nice performance bump.

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So a new cinebench version just got realeased what scores do you all get?
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So a new cinebench version just got realeased what scores do you all get?
Ugh, I wish I would have known about this last night when I had some good cold weather and could've pushed a proper overclock.

And *** is with the Windows Store distribution? I understand it offloads server costs, but it breaks my heart.

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Cinebench R20 also offers improved accuracy in benchmarks meant "to test if a machine runs stable on a high-CPU load, if the cooling solution of a desktop or notebook is sufficient for longer-running tasks to deliver the full potential of the CPU and if a machine is able to handle demanding real-life 3D tasks."

Interesting, finally they thought about it-Maybe they Liked the CB EXTREME popularity :-).
Interested to see TR 2990WX vs 2950X.
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My scores:
4504 @ 4.317GHz
4503 @ 4.317GHz

TurboV doesn't actually change BCLK as it appears to do so when I thought I was running lower speeds -- I was not.
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Someone talked me into single core runs. God, those take forever.

At 4.47GHz.

Please disregard the fact that I forgot to click the Memory tab in the second CPU-Z windows.
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So a new cinebench version just got realeased what scores do you all get?
Just run a quick bench on it, got 4310 for my 24/7 settings (1.3V and PBO enabled only).

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