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post #1751 of 1991 (permalink) Old 05-20-2019, 03:59 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
Believe it or not, that feature of turning off updates in Win10 actually works now. I do manual updates

Anyways, Two more days before Computex. How likely will the R3's be on sale a few days after announcement?
They sneak them in with KBs and don't tell everything. KBs include earlier updates and unless you stop all updates (not advisable) and never do them you'd eventually get them all.
Last two times new CPUs showed up for sale pretty quick after announcement but in my country that meant about a month after most. Depends on if they will just make definite architecture and models announcements or just start of production. I personally don't expect getting my mitts on it before July. With gen 1 and 2 many online stores had place mats or available for preorder by now.

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I guess even if the board layout and electronics support faster RAM, MSI (or any board manufacturer for that matter) wouldn't want to "unlock" full potential because they want to sell the newer boards. They'll probably add minimum support for the new CPUs.
PCI-E 4.0 has been confirmed to be added to Gigabyte B450 and X470 boards... As long as you use a 3000 series CPU.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gi...470,39377.html

So... Either X570 has a brand new feature that we haven't heard off, or, the new features are CPU dependent rather than chipset dependent.
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They sneak them in with KBs and don't tell everything. KBs include earlier updates and unless you stop all updates (not advisable) and never do them you'd eventually get them all.
Last two times new CPUs showed up for sale pretty quick after announcement but in my country that meant about a month after most. Depends on if they will just make definite architecture and models announcements or just start of production. I personally don't expect getting my mitts on it before July. With gen 1 and 2 many online stores had place mats or available for preorder by now.
Part of Africa were i currently reside, there are hardly any AMD components available. I'll be in Singapore mid June and hoping to buy from there. That country is pretty updated when it comes to electronics. Prolly better than the US.

Pretty sure the stores will run out of these cpus quick.

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Quote: Originally Posted by NightAntilli View Post
PCI-E 4.0 has been confirmed to be added to Gigabyte B450 and X470 boards... As long as you use a 3000 series CPU.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gi...470,39377.html

So... Either X570 has a brand new feature that we haven't heard off, or, the new features are CPU dependent rather than chipset dependent.

I think that most of the motherboard manufactures will have updated bios to support PCI-E 4.0 on their X470 motherboards, kudos for Gigabyte confirming they will also bring it to B450. I think the biggest advantage to the new X570 and possibly even the new "B" boards is going to be VRM phase and for some reason they are including active cooling on the PCH heatsink. With some Zen 3000 processors its possible that the PCH on the older motherboards won't have enough cooling, and some of the new 3000 series processors my not perform at their peak performance considering MSI is including 12 phase VRM on their top of the line board and 8 phase VRM on their Gaming Plus board. That is quite an increase over current X470 boards (my Strix X470-F only has 6 phase VRM).


Its possible that the new X570 boards are a little overkill so they can support the expected R9 16 core 32 thread processor at the extreme high end, but its also possible that the new R7 12 core 24 thread processor may need beefier VRM and active PCH cooling to get optimal performance. So far from the leaks I've seen the new X570 boards are much beefier than the current X470 standard.

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I'm a bit concerned about that one x570 MB having two 8pin ATX connectors and that would require special and high end PSU.

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Quote: Originally Posted by cowboy44mag View Post
I think that most of the motherboard manufactures will have updated bios to support PCI-E 4.0 on their X470 motherboards, kudos for Gigabyte confirming they will also bring it to B450. I think the biggest advantage to the new X570 and possibly even the new "B" boards is going to be VRM phase and for some reason they are including active cooling on the PCH heatsink. With some Zen 3000 processors its possible that the PCH on the older motherboards won't have enough cooling, and some of the new 3000 series processors my not perform at their peak performance considering MSI is including 12 phase VRM on their top of the line board and 8 phase VRM on their Gaming Plus board. That is quite an increase over current X470 boards (my Strix X470-F only has 6 phase VRM).


Its possible that the new X570 boards are a little overkill so they can support the expected R9 16 core 32 thread processor at the extreme high end, but its also possible that the new R7 12 core 24 thread processor may need beefier VRM and active PCH cooling to get optimal performance. So far from the leaks I've seen the new X570 boards are much beefier than the current X470 standard.
Your STRIX-F is using 60A IR3555 powerstages with built in monitoring for VCORE, so it's as good as any "12 phase" board using ~25A rated weaker Low RDS(on) mosfets such as the X570 ones from MSI. It's certainly on par or better than the MSI X470 Pro Carbon which uses 10 sets of Onsemi powerpaks.
https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/prod...-stage/ir3555/

Also if you look at the MSI X570 Pro Carbon mid-level board, its layout is more or less the same as the Z390 one rather than the X470 one ( so likely 10 phase for CPU power with fewer phase for SOC).
https://videocardz.com/80714/msi-mpg...on-gaming-plus


MSI has been known to not use doublers and simply run 2 sets of mosfets off a PWM so I wouldn't expect a drastic change unless you buy top end boards.

Quote: Originally Posted by MishelLngelo View Post
I'm a bit concerned about that one x570 MB having two 8pin ATX connectors and that would require special and high end PSU.
You don't need to plug in all power connectors other than the 8 pin CPU power connector unless you're pushing over 300W through or have a shoddy PSU. The MSI engineers have put up videos in Chinese suggesting the extra power connectors are because cheap PSUs use thinner wiring and that cheap wiring gets hot.


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The biggest change from X470 to X570 seems to be more PCIE connectivity (PCIE 4.0)
https://www.techpowerup.com/255729/a...out-pcie-gen-4
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Your STRIX-F is using 60A IR3555 powerstages with built in monitoring for VCORE, so it's as good as any "12 phase" board using ~25A rated weaker Low RDS(on) mosfets such as the X570 ones from MSI. It's certainly on par or better than the MSI X470 Pro Carbon which uses 10 sets of Onsemi powerpaks.
https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/prod...-stage/ir3555/

Also if you look at the MSI X570 Pro Carbon mid-level board, its layout is more or less the same as the Z390 one rather than the X470 one ( so likely 10 phase for CPU power with fewer phase for SOC).
https://videocardz.com/80714/msi-mpg...on-gaming-plus


MSI has been known to not use doublers and simply run 2 sets of mosfets off a PWM so I wouldn't expect a drastic change unless you buy top end boards.



You don't need to plug in all power connectors other than the 8 pin CPU power connector unless you're pushing over 300W through or have a shoddy PSU. The MSI engineers have put up videos in Chinese suggesting the extra power connectors are because cheap PSUs use thinner wiring and that cheap wiring gets hot.


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The biggest change from X470 to X570 seems to be more PCIE connectivity (PCIE 4.0)
https://www.techpowerup.com/255729/a...out-pcie-gen-4
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I'm actually really glad to hear that. I would much rather just upgrade the processor than processor and motherboard. I'm glad that the Strix board is more "stout" than I thought it was

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How much are you people willing to pay for a Ryzen 12 core? Assuming it does an all core boost of 4.5GHz.

Cos right now, the 2700X sits at 280$.

400$?

EDIT: Wait, how much was the R7 1800X when it came out? It was 500$.

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How much are you people willing to pay for a Ryzen 12 core? Assuming it does an all core boost of 4.5GHz.

Cos right now, the 2700X sits at 280$.

400$?

EDIT: Wait, how much was the R7 1800X when it came out? It was 500$.
I bet
8 core $329
12 core $499
16 core $799
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8 core $329
12 core $499
16 core $799
That would be excellent price for a 12 core. Another 50$ won't hurt either. Unless the clocks and ipc are lackluster.


These are the 12 cores currently. The i9 10 cores are all above 800$. Not sure if the comparisons even make sense.

Oh man that 16 core might be too cheap. I'm not saying I can easily afford it just relatively speaking.
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