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post #21 of 50 (permalink) Old 12-04-2018, 09:04 AM
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Slight tweak in this journey, due to the GPU being bottlenecked quite a lot by the CPU, even at just over 4Ghz (4.085Ghz at the moment), I have managed to nab an X6 1090T processor to swap the X4 965BE out with, was quite cheap, couldn't find a X6 1100T for anywhere near the price so went with the 1090T as its also got an unlocked multiplier and can apparently easily OC to 4GHz on around 1.4v.

More of an interest to see back to back runs with the X4 and X6 at the same OC settings to see how those extra 2 cores might help out - interestingly the highest OCs on the Phenoms are on the X4 with the highest OC being on an X4 955 at 7.192Ghz - it was running at 1.872V though!

I will be upgrading to Ryzen at some point but due to the low cost of the X6 I just wanted to see what it was like, will be interesting to see what sort of FPS increases I get as well in some of the tests to see how much the X4 is bottlenecking the RX470.
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post #22 of 50 (permalink) Old 12-04-2018, 01:15 PM - Thread Starter
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New record for me in Firestrike, 9,663, looking at the CPUs with around the same sort of score it seems to be on par with an i5-5820k and an i7 5820k so 5th gen Intel.

Specs for the runs are:

19x215
1.5v CPU (will look to drop this a bit)
1.25v NB
10x HTT
12x NB multi (so 2580mhz NB)
Corsair XMS3 1333mhz @ 1434mhz, stock timing of 9-9-9-24 (might look to tighten this to see if it makes a difference)

Max temps seen during the benchmark are at around 52C, I think I have reached the limit however as running a 19.5x multiplyer cause the system to be unstable within minutes, whereas the above overclock seems to be fairly stable.

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New record for me in Firestrike, 9,663, looking at the CPUs with around the same sort of score it seems to be on par with an i5-5820k and an i7 5820k so 5th gen Intel.

Specs for the runs are:

19x215
1.5v CPU (will look to drop this a bit)
1.25v NB
10x HTT
12x NB multi (so 2580mhz NB)
Corsair XMS3 1333mhz @ 1434mhz, stock timing of 9-9-9-24 (might look to tighten this to see if it makes a difference)

Max temps seen during the benchmark are at around 52C, I think I have reached the limit however as running a 19.5x multiplyer cause the system to be unstable within minutes, whereas the above overclock seems to be fairly stable.

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As for X6's.... Their are several X4 960T's on Ebay for less than $50. A lot of them will unlock to a 1600T X6. Nearly all are amazing overclockers as the node was perfected over time and they were some of the last Zosma's made.
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As for X6's.... Their are several X4 960T's on Ebay for less than $50. A lot of them will unlock to a 1600T X6. Nearly all are amazing overclockers as the node was perfected over time and they were some of the last Zosma's made.
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Nice - will initially aim for the same clock speed/setup as the X4 eg 19x215 and see what sort of score that posts on Firestrike as a direct comparison between X4 and X6 - looks like the highest score on Firestrike with the X6 1090T is current 10,044, so around 400 points higher than my run.

As a comparison between the 2 top scores for the X6 1090T and my run it would seem that I am ahead in terms of graphic scores with them being ahead (predictably) with the physics scores due to a better CPU.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11523155/fs/17303643

Using their scores for physics and my scores for graphics, here is my prediction/aim for my new X6 setup, plugging my figures into the below calculator:

http://elmor.se/3dmark

Best X4 score = 9,663
Current best X6 1090T score (with an 8GB card) = 10,044
Prediction for my X6 setup with best of both using the calculator = 10,526

I might look to try and learn about RAM timings and look to tighten those up to see if it makes a difference, I think the Corsair XMP3 might have a more aggressive timings I might be able to manually input - I don't have an option in my BIOS to enable them.

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Redwoodz has is about right the 960T on an core unlocking motherboard is the best way to go. Look for batch 1207 - fantastic clockers.
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Redwoodz has is about right the 960T on an core unlocking motherboard is the best way to go. Look for batch 1207 - fantastic clockers.
I might also look into getting my hands on one of the 960T chips as well to try out, my motherboard does have a 'core unlock' feature, although I am guessing they would unlock to an X6 1060T whereas I have a X6 1090T on the way.

I am also looking into perhaps lapping the CPU heat spreader to see if I can drop the temps anymore - will run the X6 benchmarks first though and check the thermals.

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Just trying a few different RAM setups now, here are a few results now that I have some faster RAM:

4GB 1333mhz ram - 9 9 9 24, 215 x 19 CPU - 9560
4GB 1600mhz ram - 11 11 11 28, 215 x 19 CPU - 9239

The 1600mhz 4GB stick has looser timing but it seems I can increase the FSB higher if needed, managed to get to 230 x 17.5 but found that it wasn't 100% stable for a benchmark.

Also then tried simply running a single matched set of 2 x 4GB Corsair 1333mhz RAM - 215 x 19 CPU - 9675 on Firestrike which is a new record!

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17328804

I am going to look to see if I can bump the FSB slightly more with the current timings to see if the matched set of 2 x 4GB might give better performance.

I also have my X6 1090T CPU on the desk to drop in over the weekend, will be interesting to compare but wanted to get the most out of my current system, still can't hit 4.1Ghz yet but close!

Edit - ha, increased the FSB by 1 to get 216 x 19 = 4.105Ghz, now to see if it will run a benchmark!

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Overclocked but not stable at almost 4.2Ghz

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I have now dropped in the X6 1090T into the system, running stock clocks (with the turbo boost although its mainly staying at 3.2Ghz) best score was a 9454:

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17347891

It would seem that a stock X6 1090T is about the same as an X4 965BE running overclocked to 4Ghz!

What is more amazing is that the temps under full load on stock voltage peaked at 24C - currently idling at 19C at the moment.

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