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Multithreading is happening more and more. I gave up on my FX when I started seeing gaming loads in the 80-100% range. Ny Ryzen 1700 is holding up well so far but more performance will be needed in the future. This is what a Unity engine based game looked like on my rig 3 days ago. A quad would be saturated.
Ah, things have evolved. 16 threads and even load across all of them! Who would have thought... I guess when Intel moves to more cores, everything starts moving towards there too. But, 6 cores aren''t going to be saturated any time soon. By the time you really need 8, you will be running DDR5 and whatever comes after Zen 3... I 'd buy 8 core Ryzen if i intended to stay with it for 5 or more years. Which i probably should, only now i know i would be kidding myself. I have a 2600 arriving next week and i will probably grab a 65W 8 core in 2020, of whatever Ryzen 4000 will be then. At that point, i should stick with it for many years (and Win7). I was tempted of ordering 1700 now, but the low stock clock together with the lack of will to overclock and the unknown RAM behaviour of 1st gen, made me go for the 2600.

I hope i see a general single thread improvement on desktop operations and some programs, as it's the main excuse i can find to upgrade from the [email protected] I still play the same few games i used to play 2 years ago (mainly Skyrim and Europa Universalis) and had no real need to change anything. I actually found 2 videos of Ryzen with Skyrim and one seems the same FPS i get after the tweaks i apply (now i am convinced it's a limitation of the game engine that simply drops FPS on specific spots), the other is actually slower than the FX (and imagine i run still with GTX750Ti), because he doesn't apply tweaks. I will probably earn something in Europa Universalis IV, which is very CPU intensive... I found a youtube video and i think it runs a bit faster... Anyway, i try to find various excuses to rationalize my impulsive order, but truth be told, i should have stayed with FX at least until Zen 2 or better yet, until Ryzen 4000. But, upgraditis is a disease, isn't it... Oh, yeah, i played a more recent game called "Shadow tactics", but the FX was something like 45% loaded across cores. Buttery smooth.

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All CPUs have microcode built into them and I have found that the old instruction sets in FX is the main thing holding them back. FX can not run the latest SSE. For this reason I
have decided to update the cpu every 2-3 years just to get the lates instruction sets.


When I first got this Ryzen 1700 up and running at speed I compared the [email protected] to the [email protected] in old and new games. The FX was better in heavily modded DX7 and DX8 games. The FX and Ryzen were more or less even in DX9 games, but Ryzen was 20fps better in DX11 games. That's the microcode difference in action.


I will be getting a 3xxxX cpu next fall and have decided to get an X570 motherboard as well. Unfortunately this Biostar X370 GT7 has spoiled me. I might have to get a GT9 to get all the features I have gotten used to.

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Quote: Originally Posted by miklkit View Post
All CPUs have microcode built into them and I have found that the old instruction sets in FX is the main thing holding them back. FX can not run the latest SSE. For this reason I
have decided to update the cpu every 2-3 years just to get the lates instruction sets.


When I first got this Ryzen 1700 up and running at speed I compared the [email protected] to the [email protected] in old and new games. The FX was better in heavily modded DX7 and DX8 games. The FX and Ryzen were more or less even in DX9 games, but Ryzen was 20fps better in DX11 games. That's the microcode difference in action.


I will be getting a 3xxxX cpu next fall and have decided to get an X570 motherboard as well. Unfortunately this Biostar X370 GT7 has spoiled me. I might have to get a GT9 to get all the features I have gotten used to.
I see... Since i don't intend to move to Win10 any time soon and since i don't play much new games, i don't have the same eagerness for constant upgrades, but, i hope i will at least feel like having a faster desktop and program launching/execution. I use often some programs that are saturated in single thread with the FX. So, i hope that i will put the Ryzen in and say "wow, that was so faster"!. This will make me happy enough, because, otherwise, the only game that i will probably want and would benefit a lot from Ryzen isn't out yet. It's Elders Scrolls VI, which is still "under construction" and if it's similar to Skyrim, i will probably get it.

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You won't notice anything on the desktop. Ryzen might even be slower.



The single thread performance of my FX was about the same as the 2600k while the single thread performance of my 1700 is about the same as a 4790k. At stock this 1700 ran at 3 ghz and boosted to 3.742 ghz but after OCing it performs better than less than 200 mhz would indicate. And volts aren't that bad. This one hits 1.394v in light loads and 1.356v in heavy loads. The LLC is set to "auto" and I'm fine with that.

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Quote: Originally Posted by miklkit View Post
You won't notice anything on the desktop. Ryzen might even be slower.



The single thread performance of my FX was about the same as the 2600k while the single thread performance of my 1700 is about the same as a 4790k. At stock this 1700 ran at 3 ghz and boosted to 3.742 ghz but after OCing it performs better than less than 200 mhz would indicate. And volts aren't that bad. This one hits 1.394v in light loads and 1.356v in heavy loads. The LLC is set to "auto" and I'm fine with that.
What! Slower??? Great... Maybe i made a hole in the water at the end... I intend to leave anything to auto too, which is also one of the reasons why i preferred the 2600 over the 1700. I don't do much video encoding anymore, so the extra 2 cores would be wasted. I will keep FX rig for video encoding, if needed. From what i saw, the 2600 is on par with 1600X, which is 3.6Ghz (both at stock). So i thought "better a cpu at 3.6Ghz at stock, than at 3Ghz with 2 more cores). I will be very disappointed if it turns out that it feels slower than Vishera.

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FX is fast on the desktop. My 1700 was quite slow at first but after some tweaking it got better. Latency is a problem and Ryzen can be finicky about it while FX doesn't sweat it and just works.



I thought I had a good running FX system until I pulled the hard drives and put them in th Ryzen rig. Nothing but problems! But once the driver conflicts and latency issues were taken care of it got up to speed. Still not sure if it is as fast as FX.

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FX is fast on the desktop. My 1700 was quite slow at first but after some tweaking it got better. Latency is a problem and Ryzen can be finicky about it while FX doesn't sweat it and just works.



I thought I had a good running FX system until I pulled the hard drives and put them in th Ryzen rig. Nothing but problems! But once the driver conflicts and latency issues were taken care of it got up to speed. Still not sure if it is as fast as FX.
I ll be damned! I hate sluggish feeling on the desktop. Actually, i read about 1st gen Ryzen latency issues and that's another reason why i went with Ryzen2600, hoping that this would be less of an issue. I am crossing my fingers. I would hate it if i made a Ryzen build, only to find myself relegating it to secondary machine for gaming only, while i keep the FX for general purpose rig. Duh.

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I thought I had a good running FX system until I pulled the hard drives and put them in th Ryzen rig. Nothing but problems! But once the driver conflicts and latency issues were taken care of it got up to speed. Still not sure if it is as fast as FX.


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I have 67ns memory latency w/ my 3200 RAM.

My R5 2600 is WAY FASTER on Desktop and Gaming compared to my old FX 8350. Once overclocked the performance is even better! I still have my FX system w/ SSD and one GT730 DDR5 card. My wife uses the system and love it !

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Yeah, the driver conflicts were between Macroshaft, Creative, and AMD. The FX ignored them but they had the mouse lagging badly and the sound cutting out with the Ryzen 1700. It took me a month to get it all sorted out.

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