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post #11 of 48 (permalink) Old 03-17-2019, 10:12 AM
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Just scanned this thread.

The G43 was infamous for catching on fire when OCing an FX was attempted. One kid who did that lived in a trailer park. The flames were blown out of the case and caught the curtains on fire which caught the trailer on fire which caught the trees on fire which burned down half of the trailer park.
The MSI Gaming boards are known for being ok for average OCs but their simplified bios holds them back a bit as well as VRM cooling. Also, the thermal pads used under the VRM heat sinks are cheap and can melt. This causes an oil to seep down onto the board and can short it out.



The best way to find the VRM temps is to use an infra red gun, but most people don't have one. The most common method is to touch the VRM heat sink while stress testing. If it burns your finger it is too hot. If it blisters your finger it is way too hot.

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I read somewhere that you can put thermal paste on the chips under these heatsinks, if that's true, I'll be investigating that because I wouldn't be surprised if the paste is bad since it's been stock for around 3 years. Also, even though I didn't realize a core had failed, trying 4.5ghz my CPU was the same temp and my motherboard was 5c lower on average with my fan setup. The temps also gradually increase instead of jump a 3-20c at an interval because it's pulling the hot air out so fast.

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VRMs rarely if ever use thermal paste, they use thermal pads.

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Is that by preference of the manufacturer or can you not use paste at all if they use a pad?

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Thermal paste is for small surface differences, not to fill 0.5 - 2+ mm gaps. You need thermal pads.

Unless your thermal pads are ripped, they're likely fine. They can be reused.

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What actual case is being used?


Seems odd that with several fans, temperatures are still hard to manage.


Are any of the fans actually moving enough air to satisfy you if you put your hand near it?


Any chance of a picture of the current setup? BIOS images?



For the time being, I would clock the cores to 4ghz, and focus on getting voltages as low as they can to be stable.


Perhaps you simply have an odd setting that is causing a brute force voltage approach.




I can tell you from experience, an FX 8 core at 4ghz, 2600mhz matching NB and HT link, and having your ram run at its spec, should still feel like a snappy computer for the most part wen compared to a dodgy 4.5ghz core overclock.


Once you get the voltages all dialed in correctly, THEN you can focus on going further.


It does kinda sound like keeping an eye out for a stronger motherboard for a good price might be a smart move though.
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Quote: Originally Posted by The Pook View Post
Thermal paste is for small surface differences, not to fill 0.5 - 2+ mm gaps. You need thermal pads.

Unless your thermal pads are ripped, they're likely fine. They can be reused.
Alrighty. Thanks for the info. Appreciate all your help.

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What actual case is being used?


Seems odd that with several fans, temperatures are still hard to manage.


Are any of the fans actually moving enough air to satisfy you if you put your hand near it?


Any chance of a picture of the current setup? BIOS images?



For the time being, I would clock the cores to 4ghz, and focus on getting voltages as low as they can to be stable.


Perhaps you simply have an odd setting that is causing a brute force voltage approach.




I can tell you from experience, an FX 8 core at 4ghz, 2600mhz matching NB and HT link, and having your ram run at its spec, should still feel like a snappy computer for the most part wen compared to a dodgy 4.5ghz core overclock.


Once you get the voltages all dialed in correctly, THEN you can focus on going further.


It does kinda sound like keeping an eye out for a stronger motherboard for a good price might be a smart move though.
I'm using a Matrexx 55 Deepcool case. Before I changed my fans, the front top fan was exhausting cool air. Someone said to just remove the back fan on a different post and leave the others the way they are, or to take off the top front fan. After a few tests, I concluded that my current fan setup is the best it can be. I already tried, even with the case fully open, putting a fan as exhaust or intake as close to all of these heatsinks as possible and the temps didn't change. The only time it changed was for the first and third temps when I had the fan on the GPU exhausting cool air to the back of the case. Doing this double fan on the back exhaust has made my temps way more consistent and cool.

Running 4.4ghz right now with only the CPU voltage up by 0.07 and RAM to 1.550v. Under the CPU features, I have all those enabled because it doesn't hinder my overclocks at all. Believe me, I've tried both on and off, it changes nothing except how cool my CPU can be. Currently idle at around 30c on my CPU with Chrome open and CAM. If I give it more time, it could drop as low as 20c or lower. I've seen the mobo at ~20/35/30 if idle long enough on 4.4ghz. The picture of my BIOS that showed my bus and ratio was blurry, you can see the rest. My bus is 210, ratio is 21. I'm not just doing the ratio because I've found better results with the bus higher and since I can't clock it further anyway, I may as well.
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Running the stock cpu cooler?
Yup. I already know that's one of the main issues. Don't really want to spend too much money but I'll look into it. I'd love a radiator, but again, not really ready for all that.

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Yup. I already know that's one of the main issues. Don't really want to spend too much money but I'll look into it. I'd love a radiator, but again, not really ready for all that.
You're at the limit of what that cooler can do on it's best day .

If you keep that board cool and never let it overheat - it can push the 8 cores to 4.7 + on most 8 core vishera's as daily prime stable clocks. BUT if you let it overheat the VRMS it will damage the thermal pads and in turn singe the VRMs. After that all bets are off. By what you've described, you've probably already cooked the pads , I'd remove the heatsink and replace them with new if they look damaged at all.

I could get 4.9 ghz fully stable on mine - but that was with the best power and cooling I have ( 910 watt pc power and cooling psu and a 480mm custom loop.) For gaming etc I could run faster.
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