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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 04-27-2019, 12:56 PM - Thread Starter
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Would like advice on an AIO vs Air cooler.

First off let me set out that I am an extreme overclocker and want every last drop of juice I can squeeze out of everything I buy without degrading the performance of it. I also am very price to performance conscious so if something is objectively the best at what it does, but it disproportionately priced compared to other choices I am going to go for one of the other choices even I could afford the technically "best". I'd like to hit 4ghz on my ryzen 1600 which is possible and soon enough I will most likely get either an X470 or an X570 board with zen 2 to run my RAM at its rated speed and well, you know... Ryzen 2!!!!!

I am coming from the bias that air cooling just makes more sense, it is cheaper, usually cools as goof or is in the range of AIO cooling that makes the difference negligible, while it is generally quieter as well, not to mention never having to worry about a pump going or a tube leaking; it just makes more sens to go air. With that being said, I have not been able to find a suitable air cooler for my setup and in my frustration I decided to buy the EVGA CLC 280 on a really good sale with 2 Arctic Cooling static pressure fans which are very quiet and overall great build quality for very cheap as well. I planned to either switch out the fans that it comes with or use them with the Arctic Cooling fans for a quieter setup. I was fine with all this until I stumbled across the Enermax T50 Axe CPU Cooling ETS-T50A-BVT which is around 1 degree hotter than the NH-D15 (the holy grail of air coolers) AND it fits with my RAM while being significantly cheaper plus all the upsides of air over AIO. I am wondering if it is worth my time to return the items to Amazon and buy the air cooler instead or should I stick with my AIO considering I got it for such a great price. I was able to get the AIO and 2 Arctic cooling static pressure optimized PWM CO fans for $151 CAD after taxes.

All the reviews seem to say the same thing; AIO is mostly for show or if you have room restrictions while air is generally the better option due to all the point previously discussed although if one could get a well reviewed AIO at a very good price then the AIO is probably worth it. Generally, since AIOs are much more expensive than air they are just not worth it if you can find a good air cooler that fits fine. First I thought I was in that category but now, after finding the Enermax T50 Axe CPU Cooling ETS-T50A-BVT, I seem to no longer be in that category albeit I did get it for a very good price putting me back into the probably should go for it position.

I don't really know what to do. I hear EVGA has great warranty customer service and the AIO comes with a 5 year warranty which might be longer than I plan to have the setup. If I got air I would probably keep it during an upgrade because it lasts forever and if I get an AIO I would be inclined to sell it when upgrading because of the limited lifetime of the product.

So, what do you all think?

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There are open loops coolers and AIO kits available from EK, Swiftech, Alphacool and others and all of those are much better than the CLC junk
Buy one of those or build your own loop dont buy some Assetek garbage

Otherwise stick with air cooling
https://www.overclock.net/forum/61-w...lc-cooler.html

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If you want price : performance then why are you even considering an AIO? A good air cooler costs at least half as much as an AIO that performs comparably.

Best bang for buck cooler is something along the lines of a Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT for $60 or a Noctua NH D15.

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for ultimate cooling with no care for sound then an AIO will out perform and air cooler particularly if you are using it in case. I probably wouldn't bother with 4ghz on a 1600 unless you get a golden chip. The performance increase over 3.9 is nothing but the exponential increase is volts produces a lot of heat. If you are currently using a B350 board with your 1600 then your VRM is going to get very toasty. Keep the current AIO with the arctic fans (P14?). also I would ignore people that say AIO's are junk there is a place for custom, aio's and air coolers.

just to point out I can run 3200mhz CL14 ram on my B350 board with a ryzen 1700. On my X470 I can run 3400mhz
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Considering you already own the CLC and the resale value probably won't be great. I'd say keep it.

A 280mm CLC is still going to be a solid performer, and more than plenty to cool a R5 1600, I wouldn't focus as much on 4Ghz, like Poah said, most 1000 series ryzen chips don't like going over 3.9, neither did my 1600X I had a while back.

I'd recommend spending less time overclocking the cpu and more on the ram, go for 3200Mhz and then tighten your timings as much as possible. That will net you a lot more performance than overclocking the CPU past its voltage wall.
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That Enermax cooler has 5 heat pipes and one fan and is rated at 250 watts. Plus it has lots of RGB bling! That's plenty for a 1600 but it might struggle later with more powerful Zen2. It also doesn't look too upgradeable with more fans.



Since you are predisposed to air cooling, return that clc and get a big air cooler just so you feel better about your system. If you want RGB then you can add fans later. I have two air coolers bought in 2013 that are still running fine plus one from 2014 also doing fine. The 2014 one is running on this current rig as the AM4 adaptor cost $6.

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Well, I kept the EVGA CLC 280 because I got it for such a cheap price and my Trident Z RAM really limits my options for serious air cooling. I replaced the original loud AF fans with these 10 dollar fans which are so quiet all you hear is the air whooshing through them while the are made specifically for static pressure. The and result is that I now have a completely stable 4ghz Ryzen 1600 that never goes above 56C. I was very skeptical when it came to AIOs although with the fan replacement (the originals sound like a vacuum, no joke) it cools tremendously well and most important it is about as quiet as I could have ever possible hoped for. EVGA has a very good 5 year warranty which I have read a lot of people with glowing reports regarding their customer and warranty service. I am confident this thing will last and it is so much better than I ever could have predicted. For less than the price of a Noctua NH-D15 I have a cooler that hardly takes up any space, this is important because my VRMs are a lot cooler now, that cools better than it. The NH-D15 has always been my point of reference, as I absolutely love that beast, and being able to say that for less I got a much better setup than I could have every hoped for makes me happy and quite proud too considering I figured out using those Arctic Cooling fans rather than some expensive 30-40 dollar fan which would have totally blown the budget as I needed two. Since I am on the topic I just don't get the fan market with Arctic cooling having fans which you can't hear the bearings, push more air than the competition, have 6-10 year warranties, and usually cost a quarter of what the competition is asking for. I am so happy I found Arctic Cooling and now every single fan in my system is an Arctic Cooling fan and this thing is quiet considering I am pushing 6 fans; all I can hear is the air - no sounds of bearing or juddering what so ever.

Anyways, thanks for the input and I am super happy with these results. Now to just hope the CLC doesn't leak!

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