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Unfortunately upgrading your loop wont lower temps. Not significantly anyway. I am on 280+360 and mine is now at 5GHz. and still runs like a champ. But anything over the 5GHz mark on water is generally a tall order anyway. Its not really the loop. But the whole system cant remove the heat fast enough especially the bursts that Vishera is capable of. I still love my FX and its still good enough for the Vega 64 thats in her (sigrig not updated). But I know her time is coming. I wouldn't recommend any more money into the loop. I would think of an upgrade. The only upgrade over water that would really benefit would be phase change. Vcore is at 1.536 as you say. I imagine for 2800NB probably close to 1.38-1.4v on the CPU-NB. Thats a recipe for serious heat. But your bursts do sound a bit exreeme (in the 80s). Instead of going all in and spending the cash on the cooling or the upgrade (if you dont feel the need yet to upgrade why do it?) why not see if you cant tame those bursts. Maybe you got a kek mount on the block. Maybe the paste is old. Maybe you have a flow rate problem. I had a flow rate issue . I couldn't exceed 4.5GHz the otherday without breaking 60C core. (Normal for my rig is 50C core at 5GHz 1.475/ 2700CPU-NB 1.375V / 3000HTT) Turns out I installed the jetplate wrong and it was causing all kinds of issues. But at your level 5.125/ 2800 /3250 (Man those are nice clocks!) and I assuming the ram to back it up 2133cl9 or 2400 cl9 , you are at 4.1ish GHz Haswell territory. Should still be good enough for most if not all titles. 2080ti is big though. I cant imagine going bigger than V64 on my Vishera. But if there are guys in the LGA775 club running 771 Xeons with 1080ti's and 2080s and those things are much slower than Vish you should be alright for a little while more. Im planning on keeping mine into 2020. Heck maybe even until the end of silicone cause I cant imagine there is much life left in silicone beyond 5nm unless they figure out some way of stacking chips and taming the heat created by stacked CPU dies.

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I would probably drop the OC down low enough to limp it along for a couple of months, then either replace it with a discounted 2700x or a 3000 series chip when they are available. Once it's replaced, give it a place of honor on your case, desk, or shelf somewhere. I still have my old Athlon 64 3700+ skt 939 kicking around and I am trying to figure out a creative way to include it in an upcoming build (as decoration, not as the CPU in use).

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Quote: Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post
Drop the CPU to 5GHz and you should be fine. You will lower the voltage and heat.

Also done testing myself with 3770K @ 4.6GHz vs FX8350 @ 5.0GHz with 1080 Ti and 3770K stomps it in games. Even in the ones where CPU usage was 80% on both CPU. 3770K @4.6GHz is slower 4790K.
Talk about an on-point comment. I guess 5.0 Ghz on an FX8350 just isn't enough to overcome its IPC deficit relative to newer (or was the 3770 contemporary) Intel CPU's? Or was the FX8350 one of those bizarre AMD CPU's that didn't have as many FPU's as cores?
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Lower the OC a little, in 4K it not going to make a difference.

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Talk about an on-point comment. I guess 5.0 Ghz on an FX8350 just isn't enough to overcome its IPC deficit relative to newer (or was the 3770 contemporary) Intel CPU's? Or was the FX8350 one of those bizarre AMD CPU's that didn't have as many FPU's as cores?
3770 was contemporary. And in capable hands an FX will match a 3770 and outclass it in some instances. The core deficit kills the 3770. The 8350 has 4 256bit FPU cores that could dynamically split into 2 128bit FPU cores. Not really bizarre at all.

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Don't spend any more money on that FX but instead save it for the new rig that is coming. Don't just kill it either but let that FX retire with honor. I recently gave mine to my grandson.



I ran my 8370 @ 5ghz for years and it did fine until I got a 1440P monitor. Suddenly it was running at 80-90% loads for hours while gaming. It didn't make sense to stress test it all day every day like that so I went with Ryzen. Sure enough I picked up 20-30 fps just as I suspected would happen.


Why? Because every cpu has its own little bios and the FX bios is from 2011 or so and simply can not run the latest instruction sets. This gimps its performance in DX11 and DX12 games much worse than any single thread performance issue. At 5 ghz single thread performance is fine anyway.

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Unfortunately upgrading your loop wont lower temps. Not significantly anyway. I am on 280+360 and mine is now at 5GHz. and still runs like a champ. But anything over the 5GHz mark on water is generally a tall order anyway. Its not really the loop. But the whole system cant remove the heat fast enough especially the bursts that Vishera is capable of. I still love my FX and its still good enough for the Vega 64 thats in her (sigrig not updated). But I know her time is coming. I wouldn't recommend any more money into the loop. I would think of an upgrade. The only upgrade over water that would really benefit would be phase change. Vcore is at 1.536 as you say. I imagine for 2800NB probably close to 1.38-1.4v on the CPU-NB. Thats a recipe for serious heat. But your bursts do sound a bit exreeme (in the 80s). Instead of going all in and spending the cash on the cooling or the upgrade (if you dont feel the need yet to upgrade why do it?) why not see if you cant tame those bursts. Maybe you got a kek mount on the block. Maybe the paste is old. Maybe you have a flow rate problem. I had a flow rate issue . I couldn't exceed 4.5GHz the otherday without breaking 60C core. (Normal for my rig is 50C core at 5GHz 1.475/ 2700CPU-NB 1.375V / 3000HTT) Turns out I installed the jetplate wrong and it was causing all kinds of issues. But at your level 5.125/ 2800 /3250 (Man those are nice clocks!) and I assuming the ram to back it up 2133cl9 or 2400 cl9 , you are at 4.1ish GHz Haswell territory. Should still be good enough for most if not all titles. 2080ti is big though. I cant imagine going bigger than V64 on my Vishera. But if there are guys in the LGA775 club running 771 Xeons with 1080ti's and 2080s and those things are much slower than Vish you should be alright for a little while more. Im planning on keeping mine into 2020. Heck maybe even until the end of silicone cause I cant imagine there is much life left in silicone beyond 5nm unless they figure out some way of stacking chips and taming the heat created by stacked CPU dies.


The thing is, I wouldn't go above 60c in the heaviest loads (These exact settings) before adding the 2080 Ti. So it's DEFINITELY because of the extra heat saturation and my thought is that if I add another radiator to deal with the extra heat from the Ti, I should be able to wrangle this back down to sane temps. I've never thought of retiring her alive, and honestly, without killing her, I'm pretty sure I'll just continue to make excuses for not upgrading well into the 2020s 😆 This really was an absolute endeavour to tweak these clocks stable, and I'm kinda upset the 2080 Ti is throwing so much heat into the loop, but that was expected I guess.
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The thing is, I wouldn't go above 60c in the heaviest loads (These exact settings) before adding the 2080 Ti. So it's DEFINITELY because of the extra heat saturation and my thought is that if I add another radiator to deal with the extra heat from the Ti, I should be able to wrangle this back down to sane temps. I've never thought of retiring her alive, and honestly, without killing her, I'm pretty sure I'll just continue to make excuses for not upgrading well into the 2020s 😆 This really was an absolute endeavour to tweak these clocks stable, and I'm kinda upset the 2080 Ti is throwing so much heat into the loop, but that was expected I guess.
Indeed. I know the frustration but at the same time the pleasure you experienced. Cause I doubt anything Ryzen or Intel could ever provide the same level of tweak ability and tune-ability that these chips have. Look adding another 240 or 360 rad isn't really going to cost that much in the grand scheme of things. And a rad is an investment that you can bring over to the ryzen machine when and if you do decide to upgrade anyway. Its not like the money would be wasted.

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3770 was contemporary. And in capable hands an FX will match a 3770 and outclass it in some instances. The core deficit kills the 3770. The 8350 has 4 256bit FPU cores that could dynamically split into 2 128bit FPU cores. Not really bizarre at all.
I still would like to do more testing. I really want to see a game that uses 8 Cores full. Even then 3770K has HT. It makes a huge difference.

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The thing is, I wouldn't go above 60c in the heaviest loads (These exact settings) before adding the 2080 Ti. So it's DEFINITELY because of the extra heat saturation and my thought is that if I add another radiator to deal with the extra heat from the Ti, I should be able to wrangle this back down to sane temps. I've never thought of retiring her alive, and honestly, without killing her, I'm pretty sure I'll just continue to make excuses for not upgrading well into the 2020s 😆 This really was an absolute endeavour to tweak these clocks stable, and I'm kinda upset the 2080 Ti is throwing so much heat into the loop, but that was expected I guess.
Indeed. I know the frustration but at the same time the pleasure you experienced. Cause I doubt anything Ryzen or Intel could ever provide the same level of tweak ability and tune-ability that these chips have. Look adding another 240 or 360 rad isn't really going to cost that much in the grand scheme of things. And a rad is an investment that you can bring over to the ryzen machine when and if you do decide to upgrade anyway. Its not like the money would be wasted.

Yea, if this is going to be a dual waterblocked 2080 Ti rig, I really need the extra cooling anyway, so I think I may just get another thick 480 rad in the loop and keep this chip a bit longer at cooler temps, and upgrade to a Ryzen when the time feels right, in which case, the second rad will only help push the Ryzen that much further 😎
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