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post #21 of 38 (permalink) Old 06-12-2019, 03:45 PM
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So 4 sticks in dual channel puts more strain and dual rank OCs worse so then what is good if you want to OC? I'd like to have the option to OC. Also, for the RAM I want they don't make a CL16 kit except for 4x8gb and is CL16 worth it for about $120 more than cl19?

Use the link I gave you in the thread earlier. B-Die doesn't come in CL19 unless you're looking at > ~4000 RAM.

4x8, CL17, no RGB, $220.

4x8, CL16, no RGB, $299.

2x16, CL17, RGB, $284.

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Use the link I gave you in the thread earlier. B-Die doesn't come in CL19 unless you're looking at > ~4000 RAM.

4x8, CL17, no RGB, $220.

4x8, CL16, no RGB, $299.

2x16, CL17, RGB, $284.

2x16, CL16, no RGB, $314.
So According to the link you posted Newegg has the Tridentz Royal F4-3600C16D-16GTRS which should be B-die. They only have 2x8gb though so I could just order 2 sets of those if 4x8 or 2x16gb one is not better than the other?

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4 sticks strains the IMC. If you're running a Skylake/Kaby Lake or newer Intel CPU, it's a non-issue. Even >4000 isn't much of an issue on Coffee Lake with all four sticks. Nobody knows how the 7nm Ryzen IMC handles RAM because it's not out.

Dual rank OCs worse because of the design. If you want to OC your RAM I'd avoid dual rank. It can OC though.

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RAM speed and tight timings may not be as much as an issue with R3000. So long as you are not running 2400MHz. The magic L3 cache or what AMD calls 'game cache' takes care of dram latency.

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If you're buying in anticipation for Ryzen 3rd gen, AMD states that 3600C16 is the "sweet spot" for Ryzen 3rd gen and that over 3733MHz runs the Infinity Fabric at 2:1 ratio which is suboptimal for latency.
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If you're buying in anticipation for Ryzen 3rd gen, AMD states that 3600C16 is the "sweet spot" for Ryzen 3rd gen and that over 3733MHz runs the Infinity Fabric at 2:1 ratio which is suboptimal for latency.
Sweet! Well I ordered the 3600C16 2x8gb TridentZ Royal from newegg because the 4x8gb was out of stock and assumed I could just add on 2 more 8gb sticks. Well, now its out of stock as well and says they may or may not be restocking. So, do you think this was a dumb move? I guess I could just return it.
I was also going to just try running it with the current ram I have for now. I know that this sometimes will not work but worth a shot?

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You can always pick up another 2x8gb set down the road, maybe even try looking on ebay when the 8-10% coupons come around. Unfortunately there is really no good way to run 32gb+ of ram without potentially sacrificing OC headroom or by going for a motherboard specifically designed with this in mind like the X299 Dark, but that is an entirely different platform. 4x8gb sticks are usually the best when it comes to compatibility, but the key things to make sure when adding 2 additional sticks down the line if you intend to keep what you have purchased is to make sure it is the same exact model number (no difference like a z vs an r at the end of the model number) as well as making sure that the timings and sub timings are the same. If they are a decent OC can be as quick as an XMP profile, and if not you may run into limited OC potential or worst case instability/incompatibility.

As a rule of thumb when selecting DDR4, you really want to make sure that the CAS is less than half of the first two digits of the speed. I.E. DDR4 3200 cas 14, 14 is less than half of 32. DDR4 3600 cas 16, 16 is less than half of 36. This is a very general rule of thumb, but if you stick with it you are almost guaranteed to get a decent performing set if not b-die which should have the added benefit of additional couple hundred mhz OC room and/or tighter timings with good tuning.

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You can always pick up another 2x8gb set down the road, maybe even try looking on ebay when the 8-10% coupons come around. Unfortunately there is really no good way to run 32gb+ of ram without potentially sacrificing OC headroom or by going for a motherboard specifically designed with this in mind like the X299 Dark, but that is an entirely different platform. 4x8gb sticks are usually the best when it comes to compatibility, but the key things to make sure when adding 2 additional sticks down the line if you intend to keep what you have purchased is to make sure it is the same exact model number (no difference like a z vs an r at the end of the model number) as well as making sure that the timings and sub timings are the same. If they are a decent OC can be as quick as an XMP profile, and if not you may run into limited OC potential or worst case instability/incompatibility.

As a rule of thumb when selecting DDR4, you really want to make sure that the CAS is less than half of the first two digits of the speed. I.E. DDR4 3200 cas 14, 14 is less than half of 32. DDR4 3600 cas 16, 16 is less than half of 36. This is a very general rule of thumb, but if you stick with it you are almost guaranteed to get a decent performing set if not b-die which should have the added benefit of additional couple hundred mhz OC room and/or tighter timings with good tuning.
Thanks for the info! I guess I am just worried that since its b-die that they won't restock it but hopefully they will. Or yeah, I could try ebay.

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Welp the 4x8gb kit ended up coming back in stock so I just ordered that going to send the 2x8gb kit back haha. So should be good to go for now, now just need the processor!!

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Ok received the 4x8gb Tridentz Royal 3600 CL16 ram and I was wondering for now with a ryzen 1700 and asus crosshair vi hero motherboard what XMP speed I should set it at?

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