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To replace your 5930k? None. If you're setting up a new rig a 3700x.

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for a purely "Gaming Only" build, no production at all im only gonna game on this build, should i go 3900X or 3700X/3800X?

let me be clear money is not an issue and i already own an RTX 2080 Ti lightning Z so i wanna match it with the absolute best cpu for gaming (and no thanks i dont want a 9900K)

watching and reading review seems 3700x and 3900x gaming performance is almost a match most of the time, BUT Linus have said that there was some performance inconsistencies between different runs with the 3900x as the scheduler do not always allocate tasks perfectly or the same between the 2 chiplets and proved that performance was more consistent and improved when affinity was set manually to a single chiplet.

also even when sometimes 3900x bested 3700x Average FPS it was only by a tiny margin, and then more often than not 3700x bested 3900x when it comes to Minimum FPS which matters more imho, cz of scheduler like Linus said? maybe, less latency cz 1 chiplet? also maybe, dont know but that was the general perception i saw after watching and reading all the reviews here and there ...


so im gonna go grab myself one Ryzen 3000 this weekend my mind is almost set on getting 3800X/3700X whatever i find in stock (leaning more toward a 3800X tbh), i think the 8-core single-chiplet is gonna run cooler, consume less power, and might potentially run games better than a 3900X.


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Quote: Originally Posted by SsXxX View Post
for a purely "Gaming Only" build, no production at all im only gonna game on this build, should i go 3900X or 3700X/3800X?
None of those.

Get 3600 or 3600x.

Reason is all of the processors you mentioned have the same single thread score so they're not going to be much faster in gaming because no game need 8+ cores to run, it's the single core score that makes the biggest difference. 3600 and 3600x has 6 cores which is plenty for any game, so get either one. The stock 3600x is only 5% faster mhz for 25% ($50) more than 3600, and both 3600 and 3600x should overclock to the same ghz, so I'd save the $50 and get a 3600.
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None of those.

Get 3600 or 3600x.

Reason is all of the processors you mentioned have the same single thread score so they're not going to be much faster in gaming because no game need 8+ cores to run, it's the single core score that makes the biggest difference. 3600 and 3600x has 6 cores which is plenty for any game, so get either one. The stock 3600x is only 5% faster mhz for 25% ($50) more than 3600, and both 3600 and 3600x should overclock to the same ghz, so I'd save the $50 and get a 3600.
Depends how long you plan to keep the PC really. Short term the 3600 or 3600x would be enough, but if you plan to keep the PC for a while. It's best to go with the 3700x. Next gen consoles are going to have 8 core CPUs with 16 threads. This means that pretty much every game will support it since most games are console ports these days.
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3900x for sure, maybe even a 3950x (if money is not an issue).

First, within the next year and especially two, most new games will most likely fully utilize 8 cores/16 threads. This is because both the next gen xbox and PS5 will be using a variation of the Zen 2 8 core/16 thread cpu/soc. Further, while it is true that most games do not utilize more than 6 cores currently, again if you are keeping the CPU for over a year or two, no one should be purchasing a 6 core CPU (assuming you can afford it). If you're intending to purchase a new CPU every year, then yes 6 core makes sense... but otherwise I do not understand anyone (other than price issue) purchasing a 6 core for even the semi-short term of 1-2 years.

Second, latency within a ccx is much faster than going outside the ccx or ccd. 3900x actually has only 3 cores per ccx which means that a game or program that is scheduled properly to use 4 cores (within one ccx) will perform better on a 3700x/3800x. 3950x will not have this issue with 4 cores.

Third, write speeds are much faster (2x as fast) with 2 ccds. The 3900x and 3950x both have this.

Fourth, while 8 cores/16 threads will most likely be the minimum in the next couple years, I can also imagine some games just taking advantage of extra cores to the extent that its there. But this is probably the most speculative.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jrw8FJBbLPkkJpB View Post
Depends how long you plan to keep the PC really. Short term the 3600 or 3600x would be enough, but if you plan to keep the PC for a while. It's best to go with the 3700x. Next gen consoles are going to have 8 core CPUs with 16 threads. This means that pretty much every game will support it since most games are console ports these days.
That's exactly it. I got told "don't buy a 4790k a 4690k is will be fine, the i7 will be outdated by the time it's useful" Huh - how time have changed.


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Oh you were showing cpu usage, not sure what game that is but man lets get those coders on more games

Ive personally never seen my 8700k anywhere near 100% usage but i mostly play popular/mainstream titles.
Battlefield 1/5 are the only games I've ever played that can just decimate CPU threads. It's honestly a little insane. My 2500K has so few threads that my 1080TI has drops to under 10 fps and frame times are ****ed. 64 player maps are literally unplayable on a 4 core.

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Quote: Originally Posted by finalheaven View Post
3900x for sure, maybe even a 3950x (if money is not an issue).

First, within the next year and especially two, most new games will most likely fully utilize 8 cores/16 threads. This is because both the next gen xbox and PS5 will be using a variation of the Zen 2 8 core/16 thread cpu/soc.
I've had a 6 core i7 since 2014 and no games have taken advantage of it.

Also the Xbox One is already a 8 core AMD so any game made in the last 6 years could have been been made to use those 8 cores but they weren't, games still looked much better on PC CPUs with fewer cores and better GPUs.
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Battlefield 1/5 are the only games I've ever played that can just decimate CPU threads. It's honestly a little insane. My 2500K has so few threads that my 1080TI has drops to under 10 fps and frame times are ****ed. 64 player maps are literally unplayable on a 4 core.
your 2500k also only scores 6477 on passmark which is horrible. My old 2010 AMD 1055t gets that with a slight overclock. Surprised you can game on it at all.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php...3.30GHz&id=804

My 2014 i7 5820k is 14529 at 4.4. 3600 should is 20,000+ stock, almost 50% better than my overclocked i7 so it should be pretty decent
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Quote: Originally Posted by Jrw8FJBbLPkkJpB View Post
Depends how long you plan to keep the PC really. Short term the 3600 or 3600x would be enough, but if you plan to keep the PC for a while. It's best to go with the 3700x. Next gen consoles are going to have 8 core CPUs with 16 threads. This means that pretty much every game will support it since most games are console ports these days.
idk, I'm upgrading from a i7 5820k 6 core I've had since 2014, and really I don't need to, I haven't found game it can't play on ultra at 5720x1080 with a gtx 1080. Suppose the real reason I'm upgrading is I need to upgrade the media server and I might as well upgrade the main PC and pass the i7 down to the server. That's it.

So any of these 6+ core Ryzen 3000 cpus should be more than enough for many years. They're just not making games that push the cpu/gpu envelope like they use to 15 years ago.

There was a time I was upgrading gpus just to play a new game every year or two because the games were unplayable. Now I'm sitting on a 3 year old gpu that still runs everything ultra at a ridiculous 5720x1080 resolution.

This upgrade, 2014 to 2019, is the longest I've ever gone upgrading a cpu in... 25-ish years? And I still don't really need to be upgrading. Unless something really drastic happens to PCs these Ryzen 3000 cpus might be fine until.... 2025? 2030?

And really, if this $200 3600 can't play something in a few years, I'll drop in whatever new $200 cpu fits this motherboard. But if the 3600 can't handle it the 3700x probably won't either, 3700x only benchmarks 15% faster.

And that 3700x is 60% more than the 3600 is now, $130 more. I'd rather use that $130 on something else than a cpu with so much power I won't be able to use all of it for many years.
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