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post #21 of 43 (permalink) Old 07-13-2019, 12:37 PM - Thread Starter
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Check out my Avatar, that was my old AMD FX ( I want to say FX-8300?) pulling 681 watts at the wall on just a CPU Bench, highly overclocked. This current x3800 machine only has a 650W power supply, period. AMD has come a long way, it's great to see.

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So how is your overall experience using Zen 2 on the X470 Taichi? How is RAM compitibil
And as a side how is the bios fan control and all that sort of stuff?

I'm upgrading because I want to throw my asus board into the ocean.
I'm pretty well decided on the X570 Aorus Pro Wifi but if I can save $150 aud that'd be way better.. I just don't want to buy a new board and still end up having RAM issues waiting forever for bios/agesa updates.
Honestly, I can't recommend this board right now for the 3000 series. The memory situation with the old AGESA BIOS is bull****. Look and make sure whatever board you go with has a BIOS with at least 1.0.0.2, pref 1.0.0.3xx. I was considering another board and it looked to me like MSI is doing the best job of getting BIOS's out. Most say BETA, but that's a hell of a lot better than "non existent"

That being said, the board has been stable on this chip with XMP profile and was flawless in every aspect with my 2600X and would happily recommend it for the 2000 series. Based on this launch though, my next board will be an MSI, they are even re-writing BIOS's for boards that don't have enough flash in the BIOS for the latest AGESA, removing old chips and bios graphics to make sure they get what counts out to the consumer as soon as possible. That's impressive, I believe Gigabyte/ASUS is also re-writing some BIOS in that manner, but I looked at MSI and every 470 board had a BETA BIOS with the latest AEGSA. ASRock, not one 470 board with any BIOS that contains any of the last 3 most current AGESA releases. I mean, this was a $200+ board that just barely became the "not latest" chipset, unacceptable.


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Quote: Originally Posted by almstsobur View Post
The good news is, almost hit 5000 just with tighter timings. The bad news is, apparently the latest BIOS 3.43 for this board is only AGESA 1.0.0.1 and it seems as though the memory speeds are locked to the XMP profile on this release (so I am reading) myself and pretty much anyone else can't go above XMP speeds or voltage or the system refused to post. Certainly seems like a lock of some kind, because I'm talking nano-hairs above.
I'm holding above 4.2 on all cores, no dips in a full Cinebench run, 4.525 peak on less cores. This is with minimum LLC and -.8xxx CPU offset, fixed 1.025 SOC, minimum LLC. Temps maxing out at 63c.

So think is pretty close to the best I can do until ASRock pulls head out of ass and gets an AGESA from this decade released. This beats my 2600X by 63%, same board, same memory (was benching at 3400 on 2600X, same timings), same cooling. That's not to shabby for 2/4 cores/threads more. I think 65% better can be expected once I can open up the memory OC.
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Honestly, I can't recommend this board right now for the 3000 series. The memory situation with the old AGESA BIOS is bull****. Look and make sure whatever board you go with has a BIOS with at least 1.0.0.2, pref 1.0.0.3xx. I was considering another board and it looked to me like MSI is doing the best job of getting BIOS's out. Most say BETA, but that's a hell of a lot better than "non existent"

That being said, the board has been stable on this chip with XMP profile and was flawless in every aspect with my 2600X and would happily recommend it for the 2000 series. Based on this launch though, my next board will be an MSI, they are even re-writing BIOS's for boards that don't have enough flash in the BIOS for the latest AGESA, removing old chips and bios graphics to make sure they get what counts out to the consumer as soon as possible. That's impressive, I believe Gigabyte/ASUS is also re-writing some BIOS in that manner, but I looked at MSI and every 470 board had a BETA BIOS with the latest AEGSA. ASRock, not one 470 board with any BIOS that is the last 3 most current AGESA releases.
GIGABYTE has been rolling out a lot of BIOS updates in a short amount of time. Well way more than I ever got on my Sabertooth 990FX Rev 1.01 (5-year warranty and one BIOS update).
My ASRock X370 Professional Gaming didn't get as many as the Taichi version but much more than I'm used to. Just find it odd when people recommend $200+ older X470 board for Ryzen 3000
when the GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE can be had for $200.



GIGABYTE X570 BIOS Update (7/12/2019)

1.Update AGESA 1.0.0.3AB
2.Add Three Profiles for PCH Fan (Silent/ Balance/ Performance mode)

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Quote: Originally Posted by Heuchler View Post
GIGABYTE has been rolling out a lot of BIOS updates in a short amount of time. Well way more than I ever got on my Sabertooth 990FX Rev 1.01 (5-year warranty and one BIOS update).
My ASRock X370 Professional Gaming didn't get as many as the Taichi version but much more than I'm used to. Just find it odd when people recommend $200+ older X470 board for Ryzen 3000
when the GIGABYTE X570 AORUS ELITE can be had for $200.



GIGABYTE X570 BIOS Update (7/12/2019)

1.Update AGESA 1.0.0.3AB
2.Add Three Profiles for PCH Fan (Silent/ Balance/ Performance mode)
That can be a touchy subject, My understanding is that a board has to be 6 layers+ to support PCIe 4.0, making it more expensive to manufacture and requires a lot more power headroom for the chipset, thus also usually active chipset cooling. If they are dropping useless features (Wifi, Blutooth, Thundercable 7.2a, USB 3.21778C) to match the price point, perfect! Otherwise, make sure they are not skimping on the VRM, Caps, power delivery, or any quality aspects. They have to be saving costs somewhere. Keep in mind, the chipset alone, using a PCIe 4 device or not, will pull ~10 watts over a 470 chipset, and that gets you a little 25mm Chinese buzz-saw to dissipate that heat if you are not careful. My last board was a Gigabyte ( Intel 4770k) never an issue, great board. It looks like they are also getting the proper BIOS out, so if they haven't skimped anywhere critical, I'd say that's a solid choice. Personally, if replaced my board today, it would be with an X470. I don't see PCIe 4 being useful until a graphics card within my budget can saturate PCIe 3. Disk speed access is a non issue IMO. But dollar for dollar 570 makes more sense, however I would take a premium 470 over a mediocre 570, especially if the 470 was a little cheaper even. My mind would change if I thought this was a 5 year+ purchase though, I suspect by then you will need PCIe 4 for GPU's


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Touchy subject indeed. I find it easier to talk religion that motherboard preferences with people. Not too many X470 boards have impressive VRM setups to me. On X570 on the other hand, basically anything below $200 should be avoided IMO.
ASRock X470 Taichi now is $210-$220, Crosshair VII Hero $255 [$275 for the Wi-Fi version], ROG Strix X470-F Gaming $200, MSI X470 GAMING Pro CARBON $180, X470 GAMING M7 AC $220, GIGABYTE X470 AORUS GAMING 7 WIFI $230
BIOS support on Matisse on X470/X370 will mature. Just buying a X470 board right now has me scratching my head a little.

I had two X58 boards [ASUS P6T SE and GA-EX58-UD3R] i'm ok with having a little extra airflow with legroom to grow into the platform.
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Here's what I've gotten so far and surprisingly using my older B350 board. The VRMs are getting warm but nothing all that crazy to be quite honest. Ive run it several times over the past day in stress situations and its really solid. CPU temps are in the 30-40s idle, 50s while gaming and 65-70 when under 100% load for a long period. Im running a very slight overclock on the memory basically just improving the CL by one and clocking the 3200 memory at ~3,332. I'll keep messing with that more later. The CPU is running stock with out of the box frequency increases as it controls it. It's boosting to 4.5 automatically when running just a few cores and when all cores are running it's been boosting to 4.25 - 4.3

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Here's what I've gotten so far and surprisingly using my older B350 board. The VRMs are getting warm but nothing all that crazy to be quite honest. Ive run it several times over the past day in stress situations and its really solid. CPU temps are in the 30-40s idle, 50s while gaming and 65-70 when under 100% load for a long period. Im running a very slight overclock on the memory basically just improving the CL by one and clocking the 3200 memory at ~3,332. I'll keep messing with that more later. The CPU is running stock with out of the box frequency increases as it controls it. It's boosting to 4.5 automatically when running just a few cores and when all cores are running it's been boosting to 4.25 - 4.3

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/18359792
Very nice! I must say, bless MSI, no offense, but that's a $79 MB right now and putting up very good numbers and has the proper AGESA already. Good on them and you, they've made a fan of me the way they have handled this release. Is that on the Prism cooler?


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Very nice! I must say, bless MSI, no offense, but that's a $79 MB right now and putting up very good numbers and has the proper AGESA already. Good on them and you, they've made a fan of me the way they have handled this release. Is that on the Prism cooler?
No kidding. I am beyond impressed and happy with them so far. If the VRM does die one day hahahah I will gladly stick with them. I'm currently running the Corsair H100i All in One Liquid Cooler.
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Can any of you do gaming benchmarks? Something to compare to the existing 3700X reviews?

I can't decided if I should go for the 3700X or 3800X and my workload is mostly video editing and some gaming.


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Can any of you do gaming benchmarks? Something to compare to the existing 3700X reviews?

I can't decided if I should go for the 3700X or 3800X and my workload is mostly video editing and some gaming.
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